BEREA -- It's Day 12 of the Cleveland Browns Training Camp and the Browns are coming off a loss in their first preseason game Saturday, losing 13-12 to the Detroit Lions up in Detroit.

The Browns were unable to get into the end zone to score a touchdown and settled for four field goals.

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WKYC's Jim Donovan said that, after having kicker Phil Dawson on the team for so many years, the Browns are used to scoring field goals. But "seven points will always be better than three points."

There's still no decision on which quarterback will start the next preseason game.