Your say: Local doctor sacrifices dog during sales demonstration
A neurosurgeon at the Cleveland Clinic induced a brain aneurysm on a dog to demonstrate a medical device to salespeople.
What are your thoughts? Did the doctor go too far?
posted by Dan at
10:33 PM
282 Comments:
I'm appalled! The doctor needs to be disciplined accordingly--perhaps some "demonstration" on him might be a fair punishment! Let's hope the poor dog is finally at peace...
World Class Care, right? Sad thing is people in this city/region will still hold that place, and those arrogant sons of b1tches in high esteem. Serves you all right, and you should not be shocked.
The fact that they did this at the Clinic doesn't surprise me. Was this one of the devices that they have a vested interest in? How much was this "animal vendor" paid? Also..wasn't the clinic in trouble years ago about doing testing on animals or something along those lines? The Clinic has turned into nothing but a multi-million dollar money machine!
This is outrageous. It wasn't stated in the broadcast what the machinery was designed to do but obviously it wasn't to save a life after the aneurysm was induced.
There is no way this is acceptable behavior under any circumstances. My wife was physically sickened just hearing the lead-in to the story
The doctor's actions are horrific. This disregard for life, in the quest of material gain, typifies the sad moral state of so many around the world. Can't we lead by example?
I think the Dr. was very right.
Sales people need to know what they are selling. Doing on a dog or a rabbit or a monkey, for the advance in helping people.
They are to many dogs and to many cats. To many for people to adopt. I am a animal lover also and if my grandchildren heard me say this would be upset with me.
That is my comments. People come first.
The world is losing more and more respect for life human or otherwise for the almight dollar! The clinic has grown to large to monitor it's own employees and patients have just become numbers. Where will it end?
From your news cast, the doctor followed all the procedure except for waiting for approval, which was wrong. But as far as doing this to save human lives in the future, I find no fault in the doctor, and if more animal testing can save more human lives, please leave the doctors alone!
From your news cast, the doctor followed all the procedure except for waiting for approval, which was wrong. But as far as doing this to save human lives in the future, I find no fault in the doctor, and if more animal testing can save more human lives, please leave the doctors alone!
how sickening! someone needs to hook that device up to that dr. and let him see how it feels. why does our society treat animals in ways like this. i always pray that people that abuse or mistreat animals become re-incarnated as one after they die.
I am horrified that a doctor at a well known hospital would do this to a dog during a sales demonstration! It's one thing if it's part of "necessary" research to save human lifes(which I still don't like), but during a sales demo? What was he thinking? I rescue dogs for a German shepherd rescue, and I am just horrified. That poor dog. I've also been in sales for 15 years, and would never let anyone go to such extremes!Please announce his name so rescuers never release a dog to him.
I have the utmost respect for Dr. Robert White, a brilliant surgeon who has saved many, many lives. I am an animal lover, but I know & understand that it is necessary to use animals to perfect a life saving procedure on a human being.
I am horrified, however, that an animal was "sacrificed" for a "sales" pitch. I don't believe this was necessary. I think that disciplinary action is appropriate.
i think that testing on animals is very wronge! the aniamal was most likly in pain while this was happening and that is just crule. i think that this doctor should be fired and sent to jail for aniamal abuse! what person would do that to an animal. how would he like it if someone killed him just to show how to use an new tool?...mabey we should just so he knows how it feels!!! the cleveland clinic should fire him ASAP and he should be sent to jail!
The news doesn't surprise me because the Clinic is owned by foreigners and they don't respect women much less animals! The dog has more guts than the doctor! What country does this doctor think he is working in?
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I see nothing wrong with what the Dr. did. Sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice an animals life in order to test or demonstrate a piece of equipment that will save human lives. Even though I am against cruelty to animals and love them, they are not the same as human life and as long as the animal did not suffer and everything was humanely done, I don't see it as a problem.
I am appalled! World class? I think this neurosurgeon should have an anerysm induced in him and then see if the sales mechanism works!! Mice, yes. Dogs, no. They are kindred spirits in my opinion. This physician needs severely disciplined to make an example.
ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING.. THE DOCTOR SHOULD BE DISCIPLINED AND HIS LICENSE SUSPENDED.. WE SHOULD REALIZE THAT PETS ARE LIKE FAMILY TO ALOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY TO THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN OR ARE ALONE.. SHAME ON THE DOCTOR.. WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND AND HE WILL GET HIS DUE.
People who have no regard for animals have no heart. This story just confirms my opinion of the surgeons at the Cleveland Clinic and their "God complex." The doctor involved should at least pay a fine, but jail time would be more of a just punishment. I agree with the person who said that a "demonstration" should be performed on him for sales training!
This doctor knew what he was doing-trying to make himself money-he does not represent the mission of the clinic and should be fired-research at the clinic is done humanly and for the betterment of disease treatment and cures-he should be fired and fined by the humane society and any other government agency that can fine him-R.N. from the Cleveland Clinic and animal lover
for those who agree with the dr's actions, let's hook one of these machines up to you. afterall, it is to save human lives right? why not test them on humans. the animals don't get any benifits from the "new technology".
How heartless and cruel. To use an inocent animal for the financial gain of a doctor during a sales pitch crosses the ethical line. The Clinic should not treat this lightly. As a nurse and pet owner I was sickened and this only reinforces my already bad opinion of them.
I am unbelievably saddened at the treatment of this innocent life. It made me sick to my stomach to even listen to the story. The Cleveland Clinic should be ashamed of this "doctor" who obviously has no respect for life.
The killing of domestic pets is not a spectator sport. I understand the need for medical research however, I cannot accept this practice. My dogs have a face and a personality and it breaks my heart to know what has happened at the Cleveland Clinic today.
Betty
WHO THE HELL IS THE DOCTOR AND WHAT DEVICE WAS HE PROMOTING.. WOULD LOVE TO SEND THE COMPANY SOME MAIL
I think it was just wrong. I wonder if this poor dog was in pain? I'm sure he was. And why couldn't he have used a cadaver to do his demostration? I'm glad I wasn't one of those sales people. I would have had to walk out. I think this doctor should be fired! And he didn't even wait for permission to fo this. He just went ahead & did it anyway. This incident just sickens me.
I'm appalled. I don't believe in using live animals for experiments/demonstrations. They have computer programs for that sort of thing. I hope this so called doctor, gets what I think he/she deserves.
The doctor should definitely be disciplined, if not erminated. In this day of modern technology there are many alternatives present to clinicians other than animal testing. I can only hope that Dr. Cosgrove will initiate a thorough investigation and take corrective action against this physician.
I'm appalled. I don't believe in using live animals for experiments/demonstrations. They have computer programs for that sort of thing. I hope this so called doctor, gets what I think he/she deserves.
I find it sickening that a doctor who is committed to saving lives thinks nothing of butchering a dog to show off his device. What price is life worth, no matter that it was a dogs. Obviously not much according to the Clinic. I certainly hope I don't end up there with any rare or questionable problem that they might need to "experiment"with!
Cleveland Clinic should be forced to relinquish the name of the doctor so the public can decide if they would still choose to see that physician. The Clinic is already known for doing "cover ups" and unless this is the same neurosurgeon, they now have more than one sociopath on their neuro staff.
Donna J.
I am appauled to hear of such inhumane behavior occurring at the Cleveland Clinic. I find it hard to believe that a neurosurgeon would defy the Clinic's policy and perform such a horrific act for a group of sales people! I would hope that more than a class in humanity would be instituted and this physician be held accountable for this unacceptable act. There are reasons policies are instituted and I wonder if the Clinic would have approved of this demonstration? This demonstration wasn't to collect further research data to save a human life, it was done as side show for sales people!!!
I am disgusted and outraged ! Where do we draw the line on animal abuse and animal cruelty ? Why would someone else be fined and charged with animal cruelty, but not the "Cleveland Clinic" and their so called "doctors".
We would all be shocked and horrified if that " mutt" was your best friend. And maybe it could have been someone's best friend - I guess it will never get the chance now. Why do people continue to use animals, especially dogs for medical experiments. Haven't dogs at least proved their value to us enough to get more respect than that? I mean, they help the blind and handicapped to live a better quality life, they help rid our streets of drugs and crime, they give love and companionship to the lonely, and much more. My God people, at least have a heart.
Lisa
North Olmsted
VqThe only reason he did this with out permission is because he knew that his proposal would be denied he had to have known that this was wrong if he thought that he was in the right he would have waited for approval doing it this way was sleazy i'm glad that i've never needed to see someone in this field i would wonder if i had him and what disgusting things he would do to me or my family members with out or permission maybe more than this one incident needs to be investigated
for those who say the animal didn't feel any pain, how would or how could you possibly know? can you speak to dogs? did the dog tell you it didn't hurt just before his poor life was taken? you should be ashamed! i wouldn't let this dr. operate on my dogs much less my family members. he has no compassion and no heart.
people need to know who this dr. was so we have the chance not to choose to ever see him. i know i wouldn't. i think i'll stay away from the clinic just to be safe for now.
Whoever you are Doctor, please read the words of Chief Seattle (1854) and then contemplate the slippery slope the Cleveland Clinic is on.
" . . . So we will consider your offer to buy our land.
If we decide to accept, I will make one condition - the white man must treat the beasts of this land as his brothers.
I am a savage and do not understand any other way.
I have seen a thousand rotting buffaloes on the prairie, left by the white man who shot them from a passing train.
I am a savage and do not understand how the smoking iron horse can be made more important than the buffalo that we kill only to stay alive.
What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone, man would die from a great loneliness of the spirit.
For whatever happens to the beasts, soon happens to man.
All things are connected...."
And another comment on this passage from a poem I read.
"If all the beasts were gone, who would walk with us on the Seventh Day".
Is the quack in question a middle easterner? They have no respect for women, why not animals?
What's wrong with the sales people? Were they afraid to stop the almighty doctor? They all make me sick. A doctor killed a friend of mine and was not held responsible due to the good old doc network. Pill and procedure pushers many times do more harm than good. They always think they are above reproach. Glad White's retired, one less egomaniac on the loose. Message to you all, YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU EGO ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DIGNITY OF LIFE.
The Clinic and the offending doctor should be ashamed of themselves. As a pet owner, I don't think I will sleep tonight.
Is this what they call World Class Care!! Let's get the name and picture of the doctor that performed the sacrifice and put it in the Plain Dealer , so that everyone will know him. After that story I wouldn't seek treatment at the Cleveland Clinic or the other hospitals they own, if they were offering free medical care. SHAME ON THEM !!!!!!!
You've got to be kidding me. This is newsworthy?? In a country where we kill over 1 million babies a year both inside and outside of the womb and over 47 million since 1973, is the death of a dog really that tragic??? As John Stossel would say: GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!
How amazing that you "break" this story without all the facts, and play animal behavior and feelings up against human beings. I assume all those who are appalled at this behavior are vegans, to be consistent with their position that animals hold the same rank as huumans.
A doctor goes through many years and takes the Hippocratic Oath in order to save lives. If there was an error let's let the medical profession deal with it. Granted there will always be bad doctors, but I doubt that is the case here.
the more i even think about it the more it makes me mad! how would this dr. feel if we took his dog and did this to him, or better yet did it to the dr. himself.! the cliic should relese his name and he should be punished! what kind of person would even have the heart to do something like that? and to see the dog in pain. what an animal, according to him its fine to do that to animals well if he is going to act like one lets do it to him! that just makes me sick how he didnt wait for approval, he probally didnt because he knew that he wasnt going to get any and he wanted the money! WHAT A JERK!
obviously by the lack of other negitive news stories in your broadcast this evening, means it was a slow news day. Shame on wkyc for "making" news instead of "reporting" news. One of the worst problems I believe we have in society today is the public addiction to negative media hype. Regardless of right or wrong in the death of this dog, the producers of this broadcast should have used some discression in the presentation of this piece. Cleveland can ill afford to lose support for one of the few things it has going for it. It served only to unnecessarily anger the public against this world respected medical institiution and nothing more. I certianly will not be watching this news broadcast anymore, and I intend on informing your sponsors of my decision.
How about the Salespeople, Why didnt somebody step up and stop this appalling act? How can you sleep tonight? Whoever stands to gain a profit should be subject to animal cruelty laws and
punishment.
Betty
to grant richardson i hope one day this doctor has to work on you and every one of your family members and friends then maybe you'll care if this self rightous ,money hungry moron follows the rules or does something to someone you love without permission just because he doesn't want to follow procedures or because he wants to show a sales group something
Since science has recently shown that dogs are as intelligent as the average 5 to 6 year old child, and being a believer of the adage that ones compassion towards any living being should in no way correlate to its intelligence, I am bothered by animal experimentation these days what with the vast information ALREADY accumulated. At what point do the "diminishing returns" of incremental information still warrant the suffering of an animal so that a 79 year old man can live another couple months? Some say there are too many cats & dogs. Well, if you take a look around this planet there are too many people, too! To all of the people who dump an animal at the pound with an unrealistic belief that "someone will take 'em", please remember this could be YOUR dog's fate.
I was appalled to hear this story tonight. I was born with a congenital heart condition that requires ongoing cardiac monitoring as well as two open heart operations one of which was performed at the Cleveland Clinic. While I appreciate the cutting edge research that provides the renowned medical care of the Clinic I am also a devout animal lover and definitely think this doctor went too far. To sacrafice an animal in the name of making a sale is irreprehensible. As a continued "customer" of the Clinic I will be following this story very closely and demand that this doctor be appropriately disciplined for his callous actions. As a world renowned medical facility the Clinic has a duty and an image to uphold and as they have stated that this doctor was unauthorized to perform this "sales sacrifice" they should let the world know that this blatent violation of the rules will not be tolerated. If instead they decide to look the other way I may decide to look for medical advice somewhere else.
Animal testing benefits no one. It is better to use stem cells, computer models or human cadavars instead of killing animals. This doctor should be fired, and the Cleveland Clinic should be fined, and stop all animal testing. Support stem cell research!
This doctor needs to either be fired or severely punished at the bare minimum. This time it was a dog, what policy will he or she decide is beneath him or her to follow on their next decision which may directly impact a human life? If a demonstration must be offered to sales people in order for them to have the capacity to sell this product, then video-tape the final test during the research process and utilize that legitimately approved animal test. Aside from this obvious, practical yet astute, let's think-outside-of-the-box solution, the Cleveland Clinic had better consider the mere fact this doctor took it upon their self to be above hospital policy and ignore procedure. How embarrassing for The Clinic should they choose to turn tail and back the doctor. With a world renowned establishment such as The Clinic, let's hope they use their well educated brains to prove to the public they won't be made a mockery of by one of their arrogant self exalting employees. I reiterate, while representing the Cleveland Clinic this doctor acted outside of policy. This disastrous decision resulted in the loss of life in an inhumane manner. As a form of community justice, too bad stoning isn't still in practice.
I wonder what type of payment the Doctor received from the Salesperson to speak/sacrifice a dog at his/her sales meeting. Did he get cash, a trip or maybe he got a set of golf clubs? I have an idea at the next sales meeting sacrifice the old fart that was interviewed and agreed with this Doctor's actions. I'm appalled!!! I hope the dog got in a good bite before he was tortured
Oh Grant and Phil, If you didn't care, why are you posting a comment? The public has a right to know and this is News worthy. This piece was directed to the doctor and salespeople. Not the clinic. I am looking forward to finding out more details of this incident.
Betty
As a sales representative for medical products, I would have been repulsed to see that demonstration. There is no justification for such a presentation and no reason on earth that the representatives had to see a living dog die. If the representatives needed to see a dog die to sell the product, it must not be a very good product.
To anyone who finds the actions of this doctor as irreprhensible as I do please let the Clinic know by sending a letter to their Media and Public Relations Dept. The address is 9500 Euclid Avenue, W14, Cleveland, OH 44195. Eileen Sheil is listed as the Executive Director of this department. Maybe if they get enough letters they will be prompted to take appropriate disciplinary action against this arrogant doctor.
I am absolutely appalled at this doctor's behavior. His name should be released as I certainly would not want to be his patient. This doctor should be fired, heavily fined and his medical license should be revoked or suspended. The Clinic should be heavily fined. There should be ongoing unannounced inspections by animal rights groups and the state of Ohio to the Clinic labs where any testing is done with animals. What else goes on behind these closed doors?
Where were these salespeople attending the meeting? How in heaven's name did they condone this man's behavior?
As far as the dog vendor his name and photo should be released by Channel 3 so that area shelters, pounds, rescue groups and the like do not allow him/her to adopt animals.
Concerned Animal Lover
It's all about the money, folks! Why did the doctor do this demo on the poor helpless dog, and why did the salespeople watch and not turn away in disgust? It's all about the bucks. Someone had better look into the connection between the doctor and the equipment manufacturer. It's all about the bucks.
Apparently the Cleveland Clinic and its principles operate above the pale and ethics of medical research standards. As it is now a "WORLD CLASS" SALES TRAINING institute. Unconscionable and dispicable lack of ethics. What else has gone on behind the scenes that has not seen the light of day?
K Smith
The Cleveland Clinic needs to be more responsible and look to the works of some of their colleagues for more effective practices, such as the works of Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). PCRM is an organization that promotes preventive medicine, conducts clinical research (not animal research) and encourages higher standards for ethics and effectiveness in research.
As stated from in an article in “Good Medicine” from PCRM, Animal tests do not predict results in humans. We heard it too many times before that that a new treatment almost magically heals spinal cord injuries in mice or cures cancer in rats, fail miserably in human patients. More than 90 percent of drugs that appear safe in animal tests fail in human studies. More than half of all approved drugs will be withdrawn or relabeled for serious or lethal effects in humans.
If Cleveland Clinic claims to be such a leader in the medical industry then they should start to expand their medical horizons and realize that animal testing can prove to more dangerous to humans and move beyond animal tests toward better testing methods.
First medical records fell off a truck on Euclid Avenue, and now this! Guess its time for me to find another health care provider that has somebody else in mind other then its own fame.
Karen
World Class Care - INDEED!!!!????? Or more like World Class Profiteering.
Kristin
Thank you so much WKYC for reporting on this story! Let's hope that it provokes discussion and prompts action.
The death of this dog in the name of science is just another sickening example of our society's blatant disregard and disrespect for living creatures. Can you imagine the terror this dog experienced before it was killed?
I understand that the victim was obtained from an animal broker. It is highly likely that the broker got the dog from an overcrowded shelter, an unethical breeder, or through an advertisement for a "free dog".
If you are as disgusted by this case of animal cruelty as I, please take action. Examples of what you can do are: write letters of protest to the Cleveland Clinic, volunteer or make a donation to local or national animal -realted charities, or even boycott the Cleveland Clinic.
Just a few examples of worthy charities are The Animal Protective League and various no-kill/ foster home rescue groups and shelters, as well as charities working to end this kind of torture such as The National Anti-Vivisection Society, PETA, and Physcians for Resposible Medicine.
Most importantly, have your pet spayed/neutured and adopt a shelter animal when looking for a companion.
Don't allow another homeless dog suffer needlessly.
Linda Bhatla
I am totally disgusted that something like this could happen in 2007 to a poor defenseless dog. Who the hell's looking out for the animals down there? If the doctor thought it was OK to do something like this then why isn't it OK to put his name out there. What's he afraid of?
I had taped the show prior and caught only the lead-in to this story. Thank goodness -- I can't bear to hear the aweful details. How shocking it must have been to those in attendance -- or should have been. I have two dogs of my own and it breaks my heart to hear of such cruelty.
Wouldn't this machine they were demonstrating be one to help reverse or assist the PATIENT who is having an aneurysm or
is it designed to kill the patient?
Animal Testing for SALES is not approved!!!
TAPE the research tests with multiple cameras to get every angle so sales truly understand what DEATH looks like.
Sales pitch, "here press this button and the patient dies painfully. Any questions?"
Since when is sales RESEARCH?
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Absolutely disgusting!
Can this doctor demonstrate
equivocal death?
I am sure people in Cleveland would lend him two razor blades.
Teaching is more important than life - right?
I want to know WHO the doctor or insensitive moron is! I NEVER want he or she to touch anyone in my family! Where the dog came from and who brought it needs to be investigated and such "easy access" stopped. It's bad enough the dog wasn't loved and wanted in life,...that doesn't give ANYONE the right to be INHUMANE to it in death, esp. for egotistical whim.
What do you expect when "The Cleveland Clinic" already holds itself to be superior to all other hospital groups? Face it Cleveland..unless you are a foreign dignitary or VIP...the treatment you receive is NO BETTER than at surrounding hospitals, and sometimes less than better!!!
If this was your average everyday "Joe" he would have been in jail by now under animal cruelty charges. Lets see if this applies the the godly like doctor at the clinic who did this only for his own financial gain. He should be punished like anyone else. And for the woman who said "people first" what an arrogant way of thinking. It's up to us to protect the ones who can't protect themselves, i.e: ANIMALS, children, elderly, etc. Thank God the firefighter shown in the Akron Beacon Journal giving a dog oxygen after a house fire didn't have that arrogant way of thinking. Thankfully there are caring people like him in the world. One word sums it up for the doctor and the woman who says "people first". . .ARROGANCE!
As an RN at one of Ohio's major medical centers, I believe it is imperative that the medical equipment sales reps fully understand the equipment, how it works and the risks of using it. Often, the highly trained sales reps are the sole source of training for the physicians being introduced to new equipment, procedures and medications. These same people that are screaming "animal cruelty" are the same people that would be first to criticize and to bring lawsuits against doctors and nurses when their loved ones do not have a full recovery after a procedure. Would they prefer that the sales reps, & in turn their physicians, learn on Grandma, their husband or newborn child?
"People first"? Does this apply to the murderers and rapists sitting on death row? I think that I would want to spare a dogs life and do the "sales training" on a living being who should be experimented on. Wouldn't you get better, more accurate results??? Save our tax dollars and make use of these people thrown out by society from their acts of violence and leave the innocent alone!
I lost my daughter to a brain anyerism. Perhaps if some brave docter had performed this procedure (test) 10 years ago, my daughter would still be alive and raising her only son today. I applaud the doctor for finding new ways to deal with these very difficult procedures. You cant just practice on people!!!
I was shocked to hear about the death of the dog. I just lost my dog this past December. I could not imagine using a dog or any other animal for purposes of experimentation. People should take into account the suffering that the animal may go through. This is a living creature. Ask yourself the question, would you let them experiment on your pet?
If a doctor from another town, using the equipment that one of those "sales men or women" has sold to their hospital (and explained how to use) has the chance to save someones life, it would be NEWS of a whole different type. The training on an animal would not even come into play, if a human could be saved because of it.
Those same so called animal rights idiots have gone over the top placing human life at the bottom. Where do you suggest they test on? I know lets test on one of you!!
Why do some people think this is alright? I think this was very cruel and the Dr. should be charged with cruelty to animals. Some dogs have saved owners lives do we really think that they have no feelings? CHARGE HIM I SAY!!
I'd rather see an animal tested on than a human. I love animals but humans come first. There are so many dogs and cats that the humane society ends up putting them to sleep. Therefore, it's better if the animal can advance medical care for humans than to be destroyed just because there are too many of them. I don't want it killed for sales purposes but if that is what it takes to save human lives, so be it.
If I have to leave a commit on this, he has gone to far. So what if the dog was ill and would probably die from this, the idea that they took his life just so they could show this during a 'sales demo?' What is this world coming too. We kill innocent creatures for our own good, and then we take the lives of innocent babies before they are born too, again ensure we adults live forever!
Get a life people, the world doesn't evolve around just us!
I understand that the general public feels that a dog is inferior to a human and therefore can justify doing such an experiment to 'help mankind'. But who determined that. In some countries cows are sacred yet we consume how many millions a year here in America. Continueing on that angle, I do believe in God and nowhere in the Bible did it say the dog was put here for us to experiement on for our 'well being'. Noah didn't save man when he went on the ark, he saved the animals. They only kill what they need to eat to survive, we merely do experiments to live longer. The other angle scientifically will be In a hundred years, this period of time will go down in the history books as humans acting as primitive as the caveman in medicine. Lets hope we learn alot faster! Thanks for opportunity to be heard.
I am very appalled and heart broken by what happend to this innocent "Creature of Christ". My only consolation is that the dog is now with his loving creator...running and playing in beautiful green pastures. As for the Cleveland Clinic, the doctor, sales reps, and manufacturere of the "device" you are ALL DISGUSTING! Each and everyone of you should have your faces and names published, and be charged with Animal Cruelty. Better yet, subject ALL of YOU to the same testing!
I am a Medical Sale Rep. Had I been there, I would have grabbed the dog and ran out. YOU sales people are ALL gutless!!
Remember one thing...VENGENCE IS MINE SAYS THE LORD! God sees EVERYTHING and HE knows who YOU are! You will ALL get YOUR just PUNISHMENT in due time. AMEN!!
I have never been so saddened in my entire life. Does everything have to be about money without consideration for the innocent. This poor dog just wanted love and affection and the doctor gave him death for a sales pitch. This is most discussing and all I can say is I would not go to the clinic for nothing. I have spent my entire life trying to save any animal that I can and I do understand that you need research but this is beyond research. I am sickened and saddened at the same time. If you can kill an innocent animal just to show a bunch of salesman how a product works I would never trust you to care for a patient again. You are one sick person with no regards for life. And the shelter who handed the dog over to you should also be shut down. These are the time to have no kill shelters in place everywhere and using animals for financial gain is outrageous. May you pay for your actions when you meet your maker
World Class Care? The Cleveland Clinic almost killed my mother more than 30 years ago. Unfortunatly back then it was not common practice to sue a hospital or their doctors. If it was, I would own my own island in the South Pacific right now. I would never step foot in that hospital. And now they find it acceptable to kill animals in the name of "medicine??" This is more pure GREED on the part of the Directors and the doctors. Shame on them! I steer everyone I know away from the Clinic based on their sheer arrogance that they are the "best." They are nothing more than over-educated cocky doctors who actually believe their own press. How about asking my mother who still suffers from the mistakes of their "world class care?" Frankly I am not surprised they would do something this horrific. This situation begs the question, "when are they going to start demonstrating on humans and think it is okay in the name of medicine???"
How much did the doctor stand to make on this? They do this with people too. Last year they had to admit that were putting stuff in people that they were getting money for. Not a surprise coming from that place. They won't do anything to the doctor and will chalk the whole thing up to paperwork problems. Again.
I AM TERRIFIED THAT EVEN THE CLEVELAND CLINIC HAS YET TO LEARN THAT THE RESULTS FROM NONHUMAN RESEARCH KILLS/DAMAGES RATHER THAN HELPS HUMANS. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO DO THIS TO ANOTHER LIVING BEING WHO GOD GAVE ALL CAPAPCITY FOR FEAR AND PAIN; THE DESIRE FOR FREEDOM AND LIFE, JUST AS GOD GAVE TO HUMANS.
The more you learn about animal research, the more you realize that it has done more harm than good. Tests results from animals cannot be extrapulated to humans. Animals continue to be used because it provides funding for universities, NOT because it benefits humans.
It's too bad that the laws of reciprocity don't apply to human-animal trangressions like this. If they did, one could imagine a prison where animal abusers would make amends by themselves becoming medical "research subjects" for the betterment of medical understanding. It also makes practical sense since animal models are useless in predicting human safety and efficacy. Over 99% of drugs that are found effective on non-human animals never make it to market, because they either fail during human clinical trials, or the drugs harm humans in those trials.
Does anyone realize the "sales people" are on commission and the life of a dog is not their #1 concern? And...better, yet, who actually owned this dog and allowed such a horrific procedure to occur? The ASPCA arrests people like this.
Disgusting!! This is a case for 'an eye for an eye!' Who the hell does this SOB think he is?! Animals are not ours to experiment on!! This is MURDER for profit!!!! SHAME on that so called DOCTOR!!! The Clinic should fire him NOW!!!
I work at the Cleveland Clinic and while I don't agree with the Doctors decision in what he did I'm very upset and frustrated at all of your comments that say we don't provide world class care, what do you expect from the Cleveland Clinic etc. If some of you would do your research and educate yourselves, you would see that we do provide world class care and it's because of us and other healthcare institutions that you all are alive today, If we didn't exsist and I'm not just saying the Cleveland Clinic I'm speaking for all of the healthcare institutions out there, what would all of you do if faced with a life threatining illness or disease?? Before making snap judgements and accusing of us of being insensitive to women and such for instance "Is the quack in question a middle easterner? They have no respect for women, why not animals?
What's wrong with the sales people? Were they afraid to stop the almighty doctor? They all make me sick. A doctor killed a friend of mine and was not held responsible due to the good old doc network. Pill and procedure pushers many times do more harm than good. They always think they are above reproach. Glad White's retired, one less egomaniac on the loose. Message to you all, YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU EGO ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DIGNITY OF LIFE" was said PLEASE GO BACK TO COLLEGE AND EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!! You all disgust me and I hope you never need our services.
This is a horrible offense to an innocent life. I hope that doctor is severly disciplined because what he does was wrong. There is no grey area on this matter. It's wrong. I am shocked that the Clinic could allow this to happen. And I will be watching to make sure they do the right thing.
The clinic better come clean about the financial arrangements between the doctor and the company. Is this ANOTHER case of a clinic doctor having a cozy relationship with a medical company? The top doctor there got caught in a deal with a company, another was fired for the same thing. Now this. I'd be afraid to be a patient there. Would I end up as a demonstration for salesman?
I am completely disgusted. An innocent animal dies for what? A sales demo? Maybe the next time this doctor wants to do a demo he should use his wife or one of his children...
Grow up people. How many dogs are put to sleep in pounds EVERY DAY. If every pet were "sacrificed" in the county, it wouldn't be as important as one person being shot and killed.
As a Cleveland Clinic Employee, animal lover, owner and activist, I cannot find words to describe the way this news makes me feel. I am more than outraged and saddened. I believe in an eye for an eye. And this so-called doctor should be punished to the fullest extent. But that won't be much since the state of Ohio is at the bottom of the list for Animal Rights. In this state, you can get away with murder, which is what this doctor did, when it comes to Animal Cruelty. In this day of technology marvels, this was the only way to demonstrate this device? I don't believe it. This man is a poor excuse for a doctor and needs to have a "demonstration" performed on him or one of his family members-in Public Square-where all can attend!! What's wrong with using cadavers or death row inmates? Our tax dollars are only keeping them fed and alive.
Couldn't they have used a cow instead, and had steaks and burgers afterwards? These people need sales training.
This is absolutely sickening. I can not believe that in this day and age that some people still think it is necessary to test on animals. When I heard this story I became so angry and thought maybe I should I put a protest sign on my dog and walk the line at the Cleveland Clinic. To all involved with this demonstration you should feel ashamed of yourselves. To the doctor who did it, maybe you should take a walk through the APL shelter and see what abuse does to innocent animals. Animals have no voice and you clearly took advantage. But, I can tell you that all animals feel pain! I, also hope someone is investigating the "animal vendor". They too need to be punished and closed down. Remember, what goes around comes around.
UNBELIEVEABLE. The Cleveland Clinic needs to be fined and warned that something like this will NEVER happen again. The Dr. needs to have his name published, his license suspended and be charged with animal cruelty. Lastly, yes, everyone would like to find out who released this dog and who it was released too. That person should alse be charged. I work in animal rescue and I can tell you that animals have so many qualities that we humans could learn from. I am in agreement, if you need something to experiment on, pull someone from death row. Those people have commited a crime, dogs have done nothing but have been born more than likely because of an irresponsible human.
One of the many reasons I will never go to the clinic for any type of procedure. What a sickening display of arrogance and greed on the part of the surgeon.
I'll bet the device he was demonstrating was one that he developed. Maybe he should use a family member of his for the next demonstration instead of an innocent animal. To have done this for no other reason than to demonstrate the device to a bunch of slimy sales people is the worst of all. Fire the surgeon and anyone else who knew about this ahead of time and sever all ties with the sales people who attended.
If the clinic cannot be trusted to treat animal life with dignity then it certainly cannot be trusted to do so with human life.