Your say: Local doctor sacrifices dog during sales demonstration
A neurosurgeon at the Cleveland Clinic induced a brain aneurysm on a dog to demonstrate a medical device to salespeople.
What are your thoughts? Did the doctor go too far?
posted by Dan at
10:33 PM
282 Comments:
I'm appalled! The doctor needs to be disciplined accordingly--perhaps some "demonstration" on him might be a fair punishment! Let's hope the poor dog is finally at peace...
World Class Care, right? Sad thing is people in this city/region will still hold that place, and those arrogant sons of b1tches in high esteem. Serves you all right, and you should not be shocked.
The fact that they did this at the Clinic doesn't surprise me. Was this one of the devices that they have a vested interest in? How much was this "animal vendor" paid? Also..wasn't the clinic in trouble years ago about doing testing on animals or something along those lines? The Clinic has turned into nothing but a multi-million dollar money machine!
This is outrageous. It wasn't stated in the broadcast what the machinery was designed to do but obviously it wasn't to save a life after the aneurysm was induced.
There is no way this is acceptable behavior under any circumstances. My wife was physically sickened just hearing the lead-in to the story
The doctor's actions are horrific. This disregard for life, in the quest of material gain, typifies the sad moral state of so many around the world. Can't we lead by example?
I think the Dr. was very right.
Sales people need to know what they are selling. Doing on a dog or a rabbit or a monkey, for the advance in helping people.
They are to many dogs and to many cats. To many for people to adopt. I am a animal lover also and if my grandchildren heard me say this would be upset with me.
That is my comments. People come first.
The world is losing more and more respect for life human or otherwise for the almight dollar! The clinic has grown to large to monitor it's own employees and patients have just become numbers. Where will it end?
From your news cast, the doctor followed all the procedure except for waiting for approval, which was wrong. But as far as doing this to save human lives in the future, I find no fault in the doctor, and if more animal testing can save more human lives, please leave the doctors alone!
From your news cast, the doctor followed all the procedure except for waiting for approval, which was wrong. But as far as doing this to save human lives in the future, I find no fault in the doctor, and if more animal testing can save more human lives, please leave the doctors alone!
how sickening! someone needs to hook that device up to that dr. and let him see how it feels. why does our society treat animals in ways like this. i always pray that people that abuse or mistreat animals become re-incarnated as one after they die.
I am horrified that a doctor at a well known hospital would do this to a dog during a sales demonstration! It's one thing if it's part of "necessary" research to save human lifes(which I still don't like), but during a sales demo? What was he thinking? I rescue dogs for a German shepherd rescue, and I am just horrified. That poor dog. I've also been in sales for 15 years, and would never let anyone go to such extremes!Please announce his name so rescuers never release a dog to him.
I have the utmost respect for Dr. Robert White, a brilliant surgeon who has saved many, many lives. I am an animal lover, but I know & understand that it is necessary to use animals to perfect a life saving procedure on a human being.
I am horrified, however, that an animal was "sacrificed" for a "sales" pitch. I don't believe this was necessary. I think that disciplinary action is appropriate.
i think that testing on animals is very wronge! the aniamal was most likly in pain while this was happening and that is just crule. i think that this doctor should be fired and sent to jail for aniamal abuse! what person would do that to an animal. how would he like it if someone killed him just to show how to use an new tool?...mabey we should just so he knows how it feels!!! the cleveland clinic should fire him ASAP and he should be sent to jail!
The news doesn't surprise me because the Clinic is owned by foreigners and they don't respect women much less animals! The dog has more guts than the doctor! What country does this doctor think he is working in?
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I see nothing wrong with what the Dr. did. Sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice an animals life in order to test or demonstrate a piece of equipment that will save human lives. Even though I am against cruelty to animals and love them, they are not the same as human life and as long as the animal did not suffer and everything was humanely done, I don't see it as a problem.
I am appalled! World class? I think this neurosurgeon should have an anerysm induced in him and then see if the sales mechanism works!! Mice, yes. Dogs, no. They are kindred spirits in my opinion. This physician needs severely disciplined to make an example.
ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING.. THE DOCTOR SHOULD BE DISCIPLINED AND HIS LICENSE SUSPENDED.. WE SHOULD REALIZE THAT PETS ARE LIKE FAMILY TO ALOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY TO THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN OR ARE ALONE.. SHAME ON THE DOCTOR.. WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND AND HE WILL GET HIS DUE.
People who have no regard for animals have no heart. This story just confirms my opinion of the surgeons at the Cleveland Clinic and their "God complex." The doctor involved should at least pay a fine, but jail time would be more of a just punishment. I agree with the person who said that a "demonstration" should be performed on him for sales training!
This doctor knew what he was doing-trying to make himself money-he does not represent the mission of the clinic and should be fired-research at the clinic is done humanly and for the betterment of disease treatment and cures-he should be fired and fined by the humane society and any other government agency that can fine him-R.N. from the Cleveland Clinic and animal lover
for those who agree with the dr's actions, let's hook one of these machines up to you. afterall, it is to save human lives right? why not test them on humans. the animals don't get any benifits from the "new technology".
How heartless and cruel. To use an inocent animal for the financial gain of a doctor during a sales pitch crosses the ethical line. The Clinic should not treat this lightly. As a nurse and pet owner I was sickened and this only reinforces my already bad opinion of them.
I am unbelievably saddened at the treatment of this innocent life. It made me sick to my stomach to even listen to the story. The Cleveland Clinic should be ashamed of this "doctor" who obviously has no respect for life.
The killing of domestic pets is not a spectator sport. I understand the need for medical research however, I cannot accept this practice. My dogs have a face and a personality and it breaks my heart to know what has happened at the Cleveland Clinic today.
Betty
WHO THE HELL IS THE DOCTOR AND WHAT DEVICE WAS HE PROMOTING.. WOULD LOVE TO SEND THE COMPANY SOME MAIL
I think it was just wrong. I wonder if this poor dog was in pain? I'm sure he was. And why couldn't he have used a cadaver to do his demostration? I'm glad I wasn't one of those sales people. I would have had to walk out. I think this doctor should be fired! And he didn't even wait for permission to fo this. He just went ahead & did it anyway. This incident just sickens me.
I'm appalled. I don't believe in using live animals for experiments/demonstrations. They have computer programs for that sort of thing. I hope this so called doctor, gets what I think he/she deserves.
The doctor should definitely be disciplined, if not erminated. In this day of modern technology there are many alternatives present to clinicians other than animal testing. I can only hope that Dr. Cosgrove will initiate a thorough investigation and take corrective action against this physician.
I'm appalled. I don't believe in using live animals for experiments/demonstrations. They have computer programs for that sort of thing. I hope this so called doctor, gets what I think he/she deserves.
I find it sickening that a doctor who is committed to saving lives thinks nothing of butchering a dog to show off his device. What price is life worth, no matter that it was a dogs. Obviously not much according to the Clinic. I certainly hope I don't end up there with any rare or questionable problem that they might need to "experiment"with!
Cleveland Clinic should be forced to relinquish the name of the doctor so the public can decide if they would still choose to see that physician. The Clinic is already known for doing "cover ups" and unless this is the same neurosurgeon, they now have more than one sociopath on their neuro staff.
Donna J.
I am appauled to hear of such inhumane behavior occurring at the Cleveland Clinic. I find it hard to believe that a neurosurgeon would defy the Clinic's policy and perform such a horrific act for a group of sales people! I would hope that more than a class in humanity would be instituted and this physician be held accountable for this unacceptable act. There are reasons policies are instituted and I wonder if the Clinic would have approved of this demonstration? This demonstration wasn't to collect further research data to save a human life, it was done as side show for sales people!!!
I am disgusted and outraged ! Where do we draw the line on animal abuse and animal cruelty ? Why would someone else be fined and charged with animal cruelty, but not the "Cleveland Clinic" and their so called "doctors".
We would all be shocked and horrified if that " mutt" was your best friend. And maybe it could have been someone's best friend - I guess it will never get the chance now. Why do people continue to use animals, especially dogs for medical experiments. Haven't dogs at least proved their value to us enough to get more respect than that? I mean, they help the blind and handicapped to live a better quality life, they help rid our streets of drugs and crime, they give love and companionship to the lonely, and much more. My God people, at least have a heart.
Lisa
North Olmsted
VqThe only reason he did this with out permission is because he knew that his proposal would be denied he had to have known that this was wrong if he thought that he was in the right he would have waited for approval doing it this way was sleazy i'm glad that i've never needed to see someone in this field i would wonder if i had him and what disgusting things he would do to me or my family members with out or permission maybe more than this one incident needs to be investigated
for those who say the animal didn't feel any pain, how would or how could you possibly know? can you speak to dogs? did the dog tell you it didn't hurt just before his poor life was taken? you should be ashamed! i wouldn't let this dr. operate on my dogs much less my family members. he has no compassion and no heart.
people need to know who this dr. was so we have the chance not to choose to ever see him. i know i wouldn't. i think i'll stay away from the clinic just to be safe for now.
Whoever you are Doctor, please read the words of Chief Seattle (1854) and then contemplate the slippery slope the Cleveland Clinic is on.
" . . . So we will consider your offer to buy our land.
If we decide to accept, I will make one condition - the white man must treat the beasts of this land as his brothers.
I am a savage and do not understand any other way.
I have seen a thousand rotting buffaloes on the prairie, left by the white man who shot them from a passing train.
I am a savage and do not understand how the smoking iron horse can be made more important than the buffalo that we kill only to stay alive.
What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone, man would die from a great loneliness of the spirit.
For whatever happens to the beasts, soon happens to man.
All things are connected...."
And another comment on this passage from a poem I read.
"If all the beasts were gone, who would walk with us on the Seventh Day".
Is the quack in question a middle easterner? They have no respect for women, why not animals?
What's wrong with the sales people? Were they afraid to stop the almighty doctor? They all make me sick. A doctor killed a friend of mine and was not held responsible due to the good old doc network. Pill and procedure pushers many times do more harm than good. They always think they are above reproach. Glad White's retired, one less egomaniac on the loose. Message to you all, YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU EGO ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DIGNITY OF LIFE.
The Clinic and the offending doctor should be ashamed of themselves. As a pet owner, I don't think I will sleep tonight.
Is this what they call World Class Care!! Let's get the name and picture of the doctor that performed the sacrifice and put it in the Plain Dealer , so that everyone will know him. After that story I wouldn't seek treatment at the Cleveland Clinic or the other hospitals they own, if they were offering free medical care. SHAME ON THEM !!!!!!!
You've got to be kidding me. This is newsworthy?? In a country where we kill over 1 million babies a year both inside and outside of the womb and over 47 million since 1973, is the death of a dog really that tragic??? As John Stossel would say: GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!
How amazing that you "break" this story without all the facts, and play animal behavior and feelings up against human beings. I assume all those who are appalled at this behavior are vegans, to be consistent with their position that animals hold the same rank as huumans.
A doctor goes through many years and takes the Hippocratic Oath in order to save lives. If there was an error let's let the medical profession deal with it. Granted there will always be bad doctors, but I doubt that is the case here.
the more i even think about it the more it makes me mad! how would this dr. feel if we took his dog and did this to him, or better yet did it to the dr. himself.! the cliic should relese his name and he should be punished! what kind of person would even have the heart to do something like that? and to see the dog in pain. what an animal, according to him its fine to do that to animals well if he is going to act like one lets do it to him! that just makes me sick how he didnt wait for approval, he probally didnt because he knew that he wasnt going to get any and he wanted the money! WHAT A JERK!
obviously by the lack of other negitive news stories in your broadcast this evening, means it was a slow news day. Shame on wkyc for "making" news instead of "reporting" news. One of the worst problems I believe we have in society today is the public addiction to negative media hype. Regardless of right or wrong in the death of this dog, the producers of this broadcast should have used some discression in the presentation of this piece. Cleveland can ill afford to lose support for one of the few things it has going for it. It served only to unnecessarily anger the public against this world respected medical institiution and nothing more. I certianly will not be watching this news broadcast anymore, and I intend on informing your sponsors of my decision.
How about the Salespeople, Why didnt somebody step up and stop this appalling act? How can you sleep tonight? Whoever stands to gain a profit should be subject to animal cruelty laws and
punishment.
Betty
to grant richardson i hope one day this doctor has to work on you and every one of your family members and friends then maybe you'll care if this self rightous ,money hungry moron follows the rules or does something to someone you love without permission just because he doesn't want to follow procedures or because he wants to show a sales group something
Since science has recently shown that dogs are as intelligent as the average 5 to 6 year old child, and being a believer of the adage that ones compassion towards any living being should in no way correlate to its intelligence, I am bothered by animal experimentation these days what with the vast information ALREADY accumulated. At what point do the "diminishing returns" of incremental information still warrant the suffering of an animal so that a 79 year old man can live another couple months? Some say there are too many cats & dogs. Well, if you take a look around this planet there are too many people, too! To all of the people who dump an animal at the pound with an unrealistic belief that "someone will take 'em", please remember this could be YOUR dog's fate.
I was appalled to hear this story tonight. I was born with a congenital heart condition that requires ongoing cardiac monitoring as well as two open heart operations one of which was performed at the Cleveland Clinic. While I appreciate the cutting edge research that provides the renowned medical care of the Clinic I am also a devout animal lover and definitely think this doctor went too far. To sacrafice an animal in the name of making a sale is irreprehensible. As a continued "customer" of the Clinic I will be following this story very closely and demand that this doctor be appropriately disciplined for his callous actions. As a world renowned medical facility the Clinic has a duty and an image to uphold and as they have stated that this doctor was unauthorized to perform this "sales sacrifice" they should let the world know that this blatent violation of the rules will not be tolerated. If instead they decide to look the other way I may decide to look for medical advice somewhere else.
Animal testing benefits no one. It is better to use stem cells, computer models or human cadavars instead of killing animals. This doctor should be fired, and the Cleveland Clinic should be fined, and stop all animal testing. Support stem cell research!
This doctor needs to either be fired or severely punished at the bare minimum. This time it was a dog, what policy will he or she decide is beneath him or her to follow on their next decision which may directly impact a human life? If a demonstration must be offered to sales people in order for them to have the capacity to sell this product, then video-tape the final test during the research process and utilize that legitimately approved animal test. Aside from this obvious, practical yet astute, let's think-outside-of-the-box solution, the Cleveland Clinic had better consider the mere fact this doctor took it upon their self to be above hospital policy and ignore procedure. How embarrassing for The Clinic should they choose to turn tail and back the doctor. With a world renowned establishment such as The Clinic, let's hope they use their well educated brains to prove to the public they won't be made a mockery of by one of their arrogant self exalting employees. I reiterate, while representing the Cleveland Clinic this doctor acted outside of policy. This disastrous decision resulted in the loss of life in an inhumane manner. As a form of community justice, too bad stoning isn't still in practice.
I wonder what type of payment the Doctor received from the Salesperson to speak/sacrifice a dog at his/her sales meeting. Did he get cash, a trip or maybe he got a set of golf clubs? I have an idea at the next sales meeting sacrifice the old fart that was interviewed and agreed with this Doctor's actions. I'm appalled!!! I hope the dog got in a good bite before he was tortured
Oh Grant and Phil, If you didn't care, why are you posting a comment? The public has a right to know and this is News worthy. This piece was directed to the doctor and salespeople. Not the clinic. I am looking forward to finding out more details of this incident.
Betty
As a sales representative for medical products, I would have been repulsed to see that demonstration. There is no justification for such a presentation and no reason on earth that the representatives had to see a living dog die. If the representatives needed to see a dog die to sell the product, it must not be a very good product.
To anyone who finds the actions of this doctor as irreprhensible as I do please let the Clinic know by sending a letter to their Media and Public Relations Dept. The address is 9500 Euclid Avenue, W14, Cleveland, OH 44195. Eileen Sheil is listed as the Executive Director of this department. Maybe if they get enough letters they will be prompted to take appropriate disciplinary action against this arrogant doctor.
I am absolutely appalled at this doctor's behavior. His name should be released as I certainly would not want to be his patient. This doctor should be fired, heavily fined and his medical license should be revoked or suspended. The Clinic should be heavily fined. There should be ongoing unannounced inspections by animal rights groups and the state of Ohio to the Clinic labs where any testing is done with animals. What else goes on behind these closed doors?
Where were these salespeople attending the meeting? How in heaven's name did they condone this man's behavior?
As far as the dog vendor his name and photo should be released by Channel 3 so that area shelters, pounds, rescue groups and the like do not allow him/her to adopt animals.
Concerned Animal Lover
It's all about the money, folks! Why did the doctor do this demo on the poor helpless dog, and why did the salespeople watch and not turn away in disgust? It's all about the bucks. Someone had better look into the connection between the doctor and the equipment manufacturer. It's all about the bucks.
Apparently the Cleveland Clinic and its principles operate above the pale and ethics of medical research standards. As it is now a "WORLD CLASS" SALES TRAINING institute. Unconscionable and dispicable lack of ethics. What else has gone on behind the scenes that has not seen the light of day?
K Smith
The Cleveland Clinic needs to be more responsible and look to the works of some of their colleagues for more effective practices, such as the works of Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). PCRM is an organization that promotes preventive medicine, conducts clinical research (not animal research) and encourages higher standards for ethics and effectiveness in research.
As stated from in an article in “Good Medicine” from PCRM, Animal tests do not predict results in humans. We heard it too many times before that that a new treatment almost magically heals spinal cord injuries in mice or cures cancer in rats, fail miserably in human patients. More than 90 percent of drugs that appear safe in animal tests fail in human studies. More than half of all approved drugs will be withdrawn or relabeled for serious or lethal effects in humans.
If Cleveland Clinic claims to be such a leader in the medical industry then they should start to expand their medical horizons and realize that animal testing can prove to more dangerous to humans and move beyond animal tests toward better testing methods.
First medical records fell off a truck on Euclid Avenue, and now this! Guess its time for me to find another health care provider that has somebody else in mind other then its own fame.
Karen
World Class Care - INDEED!!!!????? Or more like World Class Profiteering.
Kristin
Thank you so much WKYC for reporting on this story! Let's hope that it provokes discussion and prompts action.
The death of this dog in the name of science is just another sickening example of our society's blatant disregard and disrespect for living creatures. Can you imagine the terror this dog experienced before it was killed?
I understand that the victim was obtained from an animal broker. It is highly likely that the broker got the dog from an overcrowded shelter, an unethical breeder, or through an advertisement for a "free dog".
If you are as disgusted by this case of animal cruelty as I, please take action. Examples of what you can do are: write letters of protest to the Cleveland Clinic, volunteer or make a donation to local or national animal -realted charities, or even boycott the Cleveland Clinic.
Just a few examples of worthy charities are The Animal Protective League and various no-kill/ foster home rescue groups and shelters, as well as charities working to end this kind of torture such as The National Anti-Vivisection Society, PETA, and Physcians for Resposible Medicine.
Most importantly, have your pet spayed/neutured and adopt a shelter animal when looking for a companion.
Don't allow another homeless dog suffer needlessly.
Linda Bhatla
I am totally disgusted that something like this could happen in 2007 to a poor defenseless dog. Who the hell's looking out for the animals down there? If the doctor thought it was OK to do something like this then why isn't it OK to put his name out there. What's he afraid of?
I had taped the show prior and caught only the lead-in to this story. Thank goodness -- I can't bear to hear the aweful details. How shocking it must have been to those in attendance -- or should have been. I have two dogs of my own and it breaks my heart to hear of such cruelty.
Wouldn't this machine they were demonstrating be one to help reverse or assist the PATIENT who is having an aneurysm or
is it designed to kill the patient?
Animal Testing for SALES is not approved!!!
TAPE the research tests with multiple cameras to get every angle so sales truly understand what DEATH looks like.
Sales pitch, "here press this button and the patient dies painfully. Any questions?"
Since when is sales RESEARCH?
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Absolutely disgusting!
Can this doctor demonstrate
equivocal death?
I am sure people in Cleveland would lend him two razor blades.
Teaching is more important than life - right?
I want to know WHO the doctor or insensitive moron is! I NEVER want he or she to touch anyone in my family! Where the dog came from and who brought it needs to be investigated and such "easy access" stopped. It's bad enough the dog wasn't loved and wanted in life,...that doesn't give ANYONE the right to be INHUMANE to it in death, esp. for egotistical whim.
What do you expect when "The Cleveland Clinic" already holds itself to be superior to all other hospital groups? Face it Cleveland..unless you are a foreign dignitary or VIP...the treatment you receive is NO BETTER than at surrounding hospitals, and sometimes less than better!!!
If this was your average everyday "Joe" he would have been in jail by now under animal cruelty charges. Lets see if this applies the the godly like doctor at the clinic who did this only for his own financial gain. He should be punished like anyone else. And for the woman who said "people first" what an arrogant way of thinking. It's up to us to protect the ones who can't protect themselves, i.e: ANIMALS, children, elderly, etc. Thank God the firefighter shown in the Akron Beacon Journal giving a dog oxygen after a house fire didn't have that arrogant way of thinking. Thankfully there are caring people like him in the world. One word sums it up for the doctor and the woman who says "people first". . .ARROGANCE!
As an RN at one of Ohio's major medical centers, I believe it is imperative that the medical equipment sales reps fully understand the equipment, how it works and the risks of using it. Often, the highly trained sales reps are the sole source of training for the physicians being introduced to new equipment, procedures and medications. These same people that are screaming "animal cruelty" are the same people that would be first to criticize and to bring lawsuits against doctors and nurses when their loved ones do not have a full recovery after a procedure. Would they prefer that the sales reps, & in turn their physicians, learn on Grandma, their husband or newborn child?
"People first"? Does this apply to the murderers and rapists sitting on death row? I think that I would want to spare a dogs life and do the "sales training" on a living being who should be experimented on. Wouldn't you get better, more accurate results??? Save our tax dollars and make use of these people thrown out by society from their acts of violence and leave the innocent alone!
I lost my daughter to a brain anyerism. Perhaps if some brave docter had performed this procedure (test) 10 years ago, my daughter would still be alive and raising her only son today. I applaud the doctor for finding new ways to deal with these very difficult procedures. You cant just practice on people!!!
I was shocked to hear about the death of the dog. I just lost my dog this past December. I could not imagine using a dog or any other animal for purposes of experimentation. People should take into account the suffering that the animal may go through. This is a living creature. Ask yourself the question, would you let them experiment on your pet?
If a doctor from another town, using the equipment that one of those "sales men or women" has sold to their hospital (and explained how to use) has the chance to save someones life, it would be NEWS of a whole different type. The training on an animal would not even come into play, if a human could be saved because of it.
Those same so called animal rights idiots have gone over the top placing human life at the bottom. Where do you suggest they test on? I know lets test on one of you!!
Why do some people think this is alright? I think this was very cruel and the Dr. should be charged with cruelty to animals. Some dogs have saved owners lives do we really think that they have no feelings? CHARGE HIM I SAY!!
I'd rather see an animal tested on than a human. I love animals but humans come first. There are so many dogs and cats that the humane society ends up putting them to sleep. Therefore, it's better if the animal can advance medical care for humans than to be destroyed just because there are too many of them. I don't want it killed for sales purposes but if that is what it takes to save human lives, so be it.
If I have to leave a commit on this, he has gone to far. So what if the dog was ill and would probably die from this, the idea that they took his life just so they could show this during a 'sales demo?' What is this world coming too. We kill innocent creatures for our own good, and then we take the lives of innocent babies before they are born too, again ensure we adults live forever!
Get a life people, the world doesn't evolve around just us!
I understand that the general public feels that a dog is inferior to a human and therefore can justify doing such an experiment to 'help mankind'. But who determined that. In some countries cows are sacred yet we consume how many millions a year here in America. Continueing on that angle, I do believe in God and nowhere in the Bible did it say the dog was put here for us to experiement on for our 'well being'. Noah didn't save man when he went on the ark, he saved the animals. They only kill what they need to eat to survive, we merely do experiments to live longer. The other angle scientifically will be In a hundred years, this period of time will go down in the history books as humans acting as primitive as the caveman in medicine. Lets hope we learn alot faster! Thanks for opportunity to be heard.
I am very appalled and heart broken by what happend to this innocent "Creature of Christ". My only consolation is that the dog is now with his loving creator...running and playing in beautiful green pastures. As for the Cleveland Clinic, the doctor, sales reps, and manufacturere of the "device" you are ALL DISGUSTING! Each and everyone of you should have your faces and names published, and be charged with Animal Cruelty. Better yet, subject ALL of YOU to the same testing!
I am a Medical Sale Rep. Had I been there, I would have grabbed the dog and ran out. YOU sales people are ALL gutless!!
Remember one thing...VENGENCE IS MINE SAYS THE LORD! God sees EVERYTHING and HE knows who YOU are! You will ALL get YOUR just PUNISHMENT in due time. AMEN!!
I have never been so saddened in my entire life. Does everything have to be about money without consideration for the innocent. This poor dog just wanted love and affection and the doctor gave him death for a sales pitch. This is most discussing and all I can say is I would not go to the clinic for nothing. I have spent my entire life trying to save any animal that I can and I do understand that you need research but this is beyond research. I am sickened and saddened at the same time. If you can kill an innocent animal just to show a bunch of salesman how a product works I would never trust you to care for a patient again. You are one sick person with no regards for life. And the shelter who handed the dog over to you should also be shut down. These are the time to have no kill shelters in place everywhere and using animals for financial gain is outrageous. May you pay for your actions when you meet your maker
World Class Care? The Cleveland Clinic almost killed my mother more than 30 years ago. Unfortunatly back then it was not common practice to sue a hospital or their doctors. If it was, I would own my own island in the South Pacific right now. I would never step foot in that hospital. And now they find it acceptable to kill animals in the name of "medicine??" This is more pure GREED on the part of the Directors and the doctors. Shame on them! I steer everyone I know away from the Clinic based on their sheer arrogance that they are the "best." They are nothing more than over-educated cocky doctors who actually believe their own press. How about asking my mother who still suffers from the mistakes of their "world class care?" Frankly I am not surprised they would do something this horrific. This situation begs the question, "when are they going to start demonstrating on humans and think it is okay in the name of medicine???"
How much did the doctor stand to make on this? They do this with people too. Last year they had to admit that were putting stuff in people that they were getting money for. Not a surprise coming from that place. They won't do anything to the doctor and will chalk the whole thing up to paperwork problems. Again.
I AM TERRIFIED THAT EVEN THE CLEVELAND CLINIC HAS YET TO LEARN THAT THE RESULTS FROM NONHUMAN RESEARCH KILLS/DAMAGES RATHER THAN HELPS HUMANS. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO DO THIS TO ANOTHER LIVING BEING WHO GOD GAVE ALL CAPAPCITY FOR FEAR AND PAIN; THE DESIRE FOR FREEDOM AND LIFE, JUST AS GOD GAVE TO HUMANS.
The more you learn about animal research, the more you realize that it has done more harm than good. Tests results from animals cannot be extrapulated to humans. Animals continue to be used because it provides funding for universities, NOT because it benefits humans.
It's too bad that the laws of reciprocity don't apply to human-animal trangressions like this. If they did, one could imagine a prison where animal abusers would make amends by themselves becoming medical "research subjects" for the betterment of medical understanding. It also makes practical sense since animal models are useless in predicting human safety and efficacy. Over 99% of drugs that are found effective on non-human animals never make it to market, because they either fail during human clinical trials, or the drugs harm humans in those trials.
Does anyone realize the "sales people" are on commission and the life of a dog is not their #1 concern? And...better, yet, who actually owned this dog and allowed such a horrific procedure to occur? The ASPCA arrests people like this.
Disgusting!! This is a case for 'an eye for an eye!' Who the hell does this SOB think he is?! Animals are not ours to experiment on!! This is MURDER for profit!!!! SHAME on that so called DOCTOR!!! The Clinic should fire him NOW!!!
I work at the Cleveland Clinic and while I don't agree with the Doctors decision in what he did I'm very upset and frustrated at all of your comments that say we don't provide world class care, what do you expect from the Cleveland Clinic etc. If some of you would do your research and educate yourselves, you would see that we do provide world class care and it's because of us and other healthcare institutions that you all are alive today, If we didn't exsist and I'm not just saying the Cleveland Clinic I'm speaking for all of the healthcare institutions out there, what would all of you do if faced with a life threatining illness or disease?? Before making snap judgements and accusing of us of being insensitive to women and such for instance "Is the quack in question a middle easterner? They have no respect for women, why not animals?
What's wrong with the sales people? Were they afraid to stop the almighty doctor? They all make me sick. A doctor killed a friend of mine and was not held responsible due to the good old doc network. Pill and procedure pushers many times do more harm than good. They always think they are above reproach. Glad White's retired, one less egomaniac on the loose. Message to you all, YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU EGO ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DIGNITY OF LIFE" was said PLEASE GO BACK TO COLLEGE AND EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!! You all disgust me and I hope you never need our services.
This is a horrible offense to an innocent life. I hope that doctor is severly disciplined because what he does was wrong. There is no grey area on this matter. It's wrong. I am shocked that the Clinic could allow this to happen. And I will be watching to make sure they do the right thing.
The clinic better come clean about the financial arrangements between the doctor and the company. Is this ANOTHER case of a clinic doctor having a cozy relationship with a medical company? The top doctor there got caught in a deal with a company, another was fired for the same thing. Now this. I'd be afraid to be a patient there. Would I end up as a demonstration for salesman?
I am completely disgusted. An innocent animal dies for what? A sales demo? Maybe the next time this doctor wants to do a demo he should use his wife or one of his children...
Grow up people. How many dogs are put to sleep in pounds EVERY DAY. If every pet were "sacrificed" in the county, it wouldn't be as important as one person being shot and killed.
As a Cleveland Clinic Employee, animal lover, owner and activist, I cannot find words to describe the way this news makes me feel. I am more than outraged and saddened. I believe in an eye for an eye. And this so-called doctor should be punished to the fullest extent. But that won't be much since the state of Ohio is at the bottom of the list for Animal Rights. In this state, you can get away with murder, which is what this doctor did, when it comes to Animal Cruelty. In this day of technology marvels, this was the only way to demonstrate this device? I don't believe it. This man is a poor excuse for a doctor and needs to have a "demonstration" performed on him or one of his family members-in Public Square-where all can attend!! What's wrong with using cadavers or death row inmates? Our tax dollars are only keeping them fed and alive.
Couldn't they have used a cow instead, and had steaks and burgers afterwards? These people need sales training.
This is absolutely sickening. I can not believe that in this day and age that some people still think it is necessary to test on animals. When I heard this story I became so angry and thought maybe I should I put a protest sign on my dog and walk the line at the Cleveland Clinic. To all involved with this demonstration you should feel ashamed of yourselves. To the doctor who did it, maybe you should take a walk through the APL shelter and see what abuse does to innocent animals. Animals have no voice and you clearly took advantage. But, I can tell you that all animals feel pain! I, also hope someone is investigating the "animal vendor". They too need to be punished and closed down. Remember, what goes around comes around.
UNBELIEVEABLE. The Cleveland Clinic needs to be fined and warned that something like this will NEVER happen again. The Dr. needs to have his name published, his license suspended and be charged with animal cruelty. Lastly, yes, everyone would like to find out who released this dog and who it was released too. That person should alse be charged. I work in animal rescue and I can tell you that animals have so many qualities that we humans could learn from. I am in agreement, if you need something to experiment on, pull someone from death row. Those people have commited a crime, dogs have done nothing but have been born more than likely because of an irresponsible human.
One of the many reasons I will never go to the clinic for any type of procedure. What a sickening display of arrogance and greed on the part of the surgeon.
I'll bet the device he was demonstrating was one that he developed. Maybe he should use a family member of his for the next demonstration instead of an innocent animal. To have done this for no other reason than to demonstrate the device to a bunch of slimy sales people is the worst of all. Fire the surgeon and anyone else who knew about this ahead of time and sever all ties with the sales people who attended.
If the clinic cannot be trusted to treat animal life with dignity then it certainly cannot be trusted to do so with human life.
I just lost my dog two days ago, it was the saddest thing ever..how could he do that to that poor dog? I am so appalled.. I hope this so called Doctor has heard of a thing called Karma!!!!!
The physician was not "pithing products" she/he was teaching a team of sales persons how to properly train other medical staff personnel. Brain aneurysms are a very serious complex disease that very few centers can treat adequately in the US. The sales persons often train staff nurses, techs, PAs, physicians on how to adequately use the devices in actual procedures. If the sales people do not know all of the little intricate details of the product then they are putting patients at risk. Adequately training a sales team who teaches medical profesionals daily in such a terrible life-threatening disease state is vital. Animals used in the training labs are always under anesthesia and suffer no pain. If you had a brain aneurysm being treated you would want staff members who were adequately trained, good chances were that they were trained by a sales rep!
I am a total ANIMAL LOVER, and we all have a right to our opinions- but...everyone should know better you cannot argue with the Cleveland Clinic. They are not going to punish this doctor to much of any extent, you all MUST remember this doctor is bringing in MONEY for the Clinic. And by using a new product to advance technology on resolving a problem?? The Clinic will not put a stop to that. Not when they can be put in the "high light" of publising a new way of technology. I believe the Clinic gets away with alot, including MURDER, not to only ANIMALS, but to humans also. I am sure that there is alot, we the public NEVER hears. As for the ANIMALS, whether family pets or homeless Ohio is the WORST STATE period for ANIMAL LAWS !!! I don't understand why this state can't make it better for them. They are warm blooded, and have feelings just like humans and should be treated accordingly. We should be so QUICK to destroy a convict, as we do an ANIMAL!!!Curious, but won't be too suprised to the outcome on this story.
Cough up his name,I feel the Clinic is afraid to.This is not acceptable. So many people out there state we need to do it for medical reasons, the doctor knew what was going to happen to this poor innocent dog. There is enough research going on today to animals. I am a humane Inves. and have to stop JERKS out there from abusing animals What would you call this? I could not sleep last night, could the doctor? I,m sure
Anyone that doesn't find this appalling doesn't care about life in general. Yes animals are euthanized every day in pounds. But what I find appalling is that fact that they forced an aneurysmn to occur forcing the dog to suffer regardless if it was under anesthesia. This is a whole different ball game then just putting a dog down. There were other options. Not just getting a random mutt for 3 dollars and forcing it to suffer and then putting it down. That dog could have been adopted into a family that would have loved it. Not sacrafice it for a stupid sale.
I am just sickened to know a Doc could do this! If it wasn't approvd by the hospital, then WHY did 10 other Docs sit around and watch? We need to be a voice for these innocent animals and stop this cruelty! This isnt' even "drug testing", it was a Doctor out for pure PROFIT. Maybe we should test his findings on HIM! (He'll be under anesthesia so he wont' feel a thing-right?) Moreover, instead of inflicting undo harm to a creature of God, (and DOG is "God" spelled backwards) why not test on the bastards on death row who are guilty of molesting/killing women and children? We need to stop useless acts that only benefit people's pockets! Lead by example and teach our kids LOVE and the value of life! I am a devout animal lover and rescuer and shocked at how far this Doc took things! "World Renowned"---The Cleveland Clinic should be ashamed that he represents them and demand his licnese be revoked!!!
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Aren't there really more important things we should be worrying about?
If everyone that is taking the time to complain would use the time doing something good for people, everyone would be better off!
However I do think that most poeple involved in that hospital are pompous.
I have read how everyone feels upset with the doctor but has anyone thought about those poor people who had to watch this demonstration?
It sickens us to hear this story, but to go to a sales meeting and to have to watch a dog die or any animal. And unnecessarily, that truly is sickening? Did these participents know what was going to happen prior to the demo? And if they did how and why did they let it proceed? I couldn't have stayed in the room! Why did they? No audience, no demo!
If they knew what was going to happen and concented to view it then they should also be more than ashamed of themselves. Lets hear from these people hear their comments and views after being part of this!!
The doctor,and the sales people
all need diciplined.
I was abosultely appalled at hearing this on the news this morning. I am happy that it was reported and that people are as outraged as I am. People need to know about things like this. No animal should be sacrificed and treated with such a lack of respect. I am an animal lover and to think that a company like the Cleveland Clinic would let this type of thing go on leaves me speechless. I certainly hope they and that heartless doctor are punished to the fullest. I will make sure that I am not a patient at the Cleveland Clinic or any hosptial or doctor affiliated with them.
I wish the poor dog knew what was going to happen, then he could have bitten the Doctor's hand right off, and there goes the doctor's life as he knows it into the grave with the poor dog.
I appreciate research, and know that things have to be done. But to use this as a demonstration for a sales meeting? I guess the demonstration was a bust, because the poor animal is dead. I think that the prospective buyers of this product were also at fault!!! How could they stand by and let this poor thing be killed? The Clinic needs to show compassion for this animal and levy some hefty fines, or fire this cold harted doctor. I hope I never have to see him as a physician, I could be too afraid of becoming a sales demonstration. Hey Doc, I thought you were sworn to save lives not take them...I hope you can live with yourself. By the way are you a re searcher or just a cold harted son of a bitch?
Maybe the people in Cleveland and the so called news media should pay more attension to child abuse and quit worrying about a stupid stray that someone dumped into the streets. It's a shame more time is spent on something like this rather than about the termination of an unborn baby or a raped child.
If this doctor wants to practice 3rd world practices...go to a 3rd world country. Thank God America has laws for individuals who believe their abilities are above God. Murder is murder whether to a innocent human being or animal. His license should be suspended and a sentance handed down accourdingly.
I have been working and volunteering for animal shelters for the past nine years and I am appalled by this event! To the coward at the clinic - how Dare you destroy a sentinent being for your own greedy selfish needs? Perhaps the coverage this story is getting will compell people to realize that Ohio has some of the WORST laws for the protection of animals. Shelters CAN sell dog that are to be euthanized to non-profit researchers, and it is disgusting. I say, take this "doctor" out of the clinic; it is proven that someone who has a history of animal abuse will likely abuse humans as well. And as for the seller - you should be rotting in jail right now.
I hope the media further investigates this to see if this dr is a share holder of micrus endovascular. (ie: the recent situation involing dr liberman and his interests.) this was obviously the act of the dr's own arrogance and others going along to apies the "almighty dr". this is totally appalling. i can only hope that the clinic's policies regarding corrective action are put into proper play and that this individual does not experience "immunity" due to his so called "prestegious position." this is an extremely poor example of "world class care".
I don't know which is more upsetting...the DR who did this in the first place or the people who believe he did the right thing! I never realized how many heartless people there are out there. Shame on all of you!
Sales people in this arena need trained just like physicians do. They often train the physicians to use the surgical devices they are using in the OR. If you were getting your brain operated on you would want all parties involved to be adequately trained, a lot of that training probably came from a sales rep. These types of trainings go on all of the time, in every institution.
How cruel and shameful! This horrific incident should not have happened, and all for the almighty dollar! At the next demo, this cold, selfish, cowardly demon of a doctor should be used as the test dummy! (And I should only hope that "what comes around, goes around" holds true!
This neurologist needs his OWN head examined.....animal research is proving to be more and more unecessary and unreliable.
What is interesting to me is that so many people are quick to say how unlike we are to the animal kingdom, yet somehow they are good enough and so much LIKE US that we will perform cruel and painful experiments on them. If they are in ANY way like us, we should NOT be doing this. And they ARE like us - they feel emotions like fear & loss and certainly feel PAIN!
Humans do have one thing that it appears animals do not: MORALS! We must treat all of creation with compassion and kindness - it is our moral obligation.
Medical research has progressed enough that this is simply not necessary.
To Dave H - "Stupid Strays" you say...how about the stupid ignorant a#$holes who "dump animals on the street? A life is a life, whether it is human or animal. Animals don't dump people. I have more respect for animals than people! They don't rape, rob, murder or molest children! I think we can learn a lot from animals. As far as the doctor, I hope he loses his license and more! He should have to go through what this poor dog went through - just remember douche bag - what goes around comes around.
ITS EASY FOR EVERYONE TO SET BACK AND SAY IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS FOR THE DOCTOR TO DO THAT, BUT IF YOU EVER HAD A LOVED ONE SUFFER FROM SOMETHING LIKE THAT I THINK THAT YOU WOULD FEEL DIFERENTLY. TO BE HONEST, I FEEL THAT THERE ARE 1000S OF STRAY DOGS ROMAING AROUND THE STREETS THAT NO ONE IS TRYING TO HELP. THERE HAVE BEEN STRAY DOGS THAT HAVE ATTACKED CHILDREN AND ADULTS AND HAVE EVEN KILLED, I AM SURE THEN IT WOULD BE OK TO PUT THE DOG TO SLEEP. YA, WAS IT THE MOST TASTEFUL THING TO DO? NO, BUT WHEN YOU SUFFER FROM THE SAME THING AND THE HOSPITAL APPLIES THE "NEW" TECHNOLOGY TO HELP TREAT YOU, I AM SURE THAT YOU WOULD BE GREATFUL. EVERYONE NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. IT WAS A DOG, MOST LIKLEY A STRAY, NOT SOMEONES PET THEY TOOK. WE ARE AT WAR PEOPLE, AND WERE UPSET OVER A DOG. PLEASE. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE WITH OVER 3000 TROOPS ALREADY KILLED IN IRAQ. YOU MUST NO HAVE FAMILY OVER THERE.
I question the association with the clinic: If this kind of sick behavior goes on there, can we trust the clinic in general? Sick! Sick! Sick! There are plenty of other outstanding hospitals, people--boycott this over-rated pompously promoted dump! remember, it's not the best; it's just promoted in the news better than most others. Very important to remember!
I was appalled at what that doctor did to that poor dog. You wouldn't do this to a human and neither should you do this to an animal. They have feelings too. This doctor ought to be hung. When are animals going to start getting rights and when are we going to start prosecuting people for harming them. It's a sad world that we live in.
MAY A RTA BUS CALMLY AND SLOWLY RUN OVER THE DOCTOR WHO DID THIS.
Appalling and inhumane what the surgeon did to that helpless animal. There is no need to test on animals in the first place let alone a demonstration for sales people, this is horific and cruel and shows that the surgeon is more interested in promoting a money making idea that treating a helpless animal inhumanely and unethicial since he didn't have permission in the first place. Would you let this surgeon operate on your family member with knowing he lacks concious and remorse after punishing an animal.
Although I am extremely upset that this physician did not wait for the proper approval from the clinic, I'm sure he will be dealt with accordingly. What people need to understand first and foremost, is that with out the use of animal testing (and perhaps demonstrations), we as medical professionals would be forced to essentially "experiment" on humans. How many of you want your family members to undergo experimental procedures with the "hopes" that everything will be ok. Animal testing allows the medical community to learn and more importantly, save the lives of the people we love. Every life saving surgical procedure we are capable of is a direct result of the fact that they have been successfully carried out on animals. As upsetting as it may be, it is a neccessary evil as far as saving human life is concerned. An animal lover myself, it does upset me, however, knowing that one day my loved ones may be spared their life via the sacrifice of a precious animal's life is of some comfort. The general public needs to know, that these animals, when procedures are carried out on them, are treated with the utmost respect and dignity. They are very closely monitored, they are given general anesthesia, and are humanely euthanised once the procedure is complete. These animals are HEROS, and tragic as it may seem, they give their lives so that we may go on to live ours.
"Appalling and inhumane what the surgeon did to that helpless animal." Agreed, it's too bad so many people consume animal products, food animals have a lifestory not unlike that poor dog.
"There is no need to test on animals in the first place let alone a demonstration for sales people" It's true, other research shows that a vegetable based diet without animal products can meet your nutritional needs, I would argue eating them is just as cruel
"this is horific and cruel and shows that the surgeon is more interested in promoting a money making idea that treating a helpless animal inhumanely and unethicial since he didn't have permission in the first place." I think that the problem is inherent in that we view Humans as being 'superior' to Animals. Isn't it time we all started respecting eachother and became vegetarian?
"Would you let this surgeon operate on your family member with knowing he lacks concious and remorse after punishing an animal." I sure wouldn't, would you allow someone who does this same thing 3 times a day (usually) but then consumes the corpse to be your friend? A question worth researching I say.
I think this doctor should be fired and charged with animal Cruelty.
To all of you complainers I hope that the neurologist treating your life threatening brain emergency was trained by people who used a plastic model to train versus a real animal aneurysm with actual anatomy to navigate.
The dog was probably a stray going to be euthanized anyways why not get some medical training out of it. It was under anestesia the while time anyways.
Instead of animals, why don't they experiment on the thousands of prisnors that we support for 40,000 a year. They are just a burden on us and besides, prisnors are closer to being actual humans than a dog, cat monkey or whatever type of animal used in thsi research
Dr White may feel this was not inappropriate, and for training or research it may be ok. But there is the suspicion that the neurosurgeon has a financial interest in the product being demonstrated. It happened before at the Clinic with stents and that was on people. Research and training are acceptable and encouraged, helping rich doctors get richer isn't.
I am disgusted and appalled ! The doctor needs to be disciplined and held accountable for his cruel and criminal actions. I am a patient of several doctors who are affliated with the Cleveland Clinic and I have always been happy with the care I've recieved but this news has caused me to reconsider, if no action is taken by the Clinic against the doctor then I will no longer be a patient of any doctor that belongs to an organization that allows such a disregard for life . This was comletely inappropriate and inhumane.
This is appalling!!!! This is cruelty to animals. This doctor deserves to be shot!!!!!
As a survivor of a ruptured brain aneurysm and subsequent subarachnoid hemorrhage, I feel that animals should be honored for their use in developing human life-saving methods. My life was saved by a device very similar to the one used in the demonstration given to the sales reps.
I think this doctor should be fired and his name released to the public. Doctors are supposed to have some compassion, but as we have seen this doctor was trying to fill his pockets with money instead of his heart with compassion. Let's hope this doctor is prosecuted to the fullest for animal cruelty, but as he is a "doctor", nothing will be done. Please publish his name, so I or any of my family members will never have to go to him for treatment, if he thinks so little of an animals life, what does he really feel for humans. Did he become a doctor for the money?? I believe he did the experiment to help himself, not mankind. Animals, all animals, are breathing, feeling beings. Did he not think this poor dog would not feel pain. I agree with some other comments, let's hook him up and see what happens. I really hope he is not my neighbor, because I would have to watch my dog constantly in her own backyard. THE MAN IS HEARTLESS AND CRUEL, PLEASE MAKE SURE THIS MAN, AND I USE THE TERM LOOSELY, IS PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW AND HAVE TO SPEND HOURS AT A SHELTER.
I'm outraged by the horrific act this doctor committed. I understand that some testing on animals may be neccessary to further medical advances, but testing on an innocent dog for a sales "demonstration" is sickening and completely unacceptable. This doctor should recieve a severe punishment. God Bless that poor dog.
"Anonymous said...
I think the Dr. was very right.
Sales people need to know what they are selling. Doing on a dog or a rabbit or a monkey, for the advance in helping people.
They are to many dogs and to many cats. To many for people to adopt. I am a animal lover also and if my grandchildren heard me say this would be upset with me.
That is my comments. People come first.
11:10 PM"
This view is grossly flawed by human ego. There are too many unwanted children, as well, too many for people to adopt because we would rather have designer babies from a tube or genetically selected from our own wombs. Disease and war are nature's population control. For those who feel otherwise, donate yourselves to the cause. If you feel so strongly about medical research, how about a little self-sacrifice? Animal research cannot be generalized to humans, and these animals don't volunteer their health, safety, or freedom for the sake of humans. Can we blame them, with the way we treat animals as disposable?
For those of you who feel humans are superior to all other living creatures, why use that against them? We should be protecting and nurturing these 'inferior' beasts with our knowledge and wisdom. Instead, we choose to exploit them for our own gain.
The doctor should lose his medical license. He will do this again. He just won't get caught the next time. Just because there is a lot of animals that need to be adopted does not mean we should start inducing them into a stroke and pain and then kill them. I hope the people that feel it is ok die and get reincarnated as a dog and this gets done to them. It is wrong, especially just to show sales people!!!!! The Dr. already knew how it should work, the sales people just bull-shit people anyway. This doctor needs fined or put in jail for a few months. It is wrong and unethical to take the law into their own hands. Just because they are doctors does not mean they are better than anyone else. Cleveland Clinic has gone down hill as far as I am concerned. They hire people from Egypt that can't even communicate and treat women terrible. One person commented that she/he would perfer a dr. that practiced on a dog, hello this was just to show sales people!! Something needs to be done or it will just continue. Dogs and Cats are creatures of God that feel pain and should not be used this way!! Practice on dead people intstead. a.d.
The Doctor that preformed that procedure should be let go from the Cleveland Clinic. If he thought what he was doing was just, then he should come forward.
I feel this is an injustice against the poor animal and his
rights as a living and feeling
creation. Just to show salespeople how it works? Why not use a cadaver? I believe this
says a lot about our society and
the lack of concern and respect for fellow creatures. Are we all disposable for the good of a few?
I think not.
let me guess...the doctor they interview doesn't have a dog...correct??
I think the doctor that preformed the demonstration should have the same thing done on him, and see how he likes it. What a horrible story. I hope and pray he is punished to the fullest. Sick Bastard.
Some of you obviously didn't read the article correctly. He wasn't training doctors, he was training SALES PEOPLE. There is no excuse or argument for using a living animal for a sales demonstration. I imagine these sales people will not be using a live animal when they go to sell this thing to medical vendors, so I don't see how it was relavent. People do not always come first before animals, I know alot of animals I would save before a lot of people. This is the same freak who transplanted monkey heads in the 60's and I don't see any improvements in our lives that we can thank "monkey head transplanting" for. It was a carless waste, and it sickens me how blind mankind can be to the world we live in. In the story of planet earth, man will go down as the villian.
WORLD CLASS MY ......WHO IS THE DOCTOR? HOW MUCH MONEY DID HE GET FROM THE COMPANY OR DOES HE HAVE STOCK IN THE COMPANY?
A animal is like a child and its was very very wrong in what the doctor did, why are they protecting him.... if it was a low employee other than a doctor they would be fired immediately and along with his/her name.
This is wrong!!! Killing another animal for gain of a human being is not right. We are not on this earth to better ourselves at the sake of another life. I don't care if it is an animal. This is about power and money. I hope someday I am around long enough to see this world change. Find another way not killing one life for another. It especially sickens me that it was for a sales demonstration. Animals are what life is all about. If we have to live a little less longer then that is what nature and the spirit of why we are here intended. I am so angry at all the abuse going on. Both the Clinic and the Doctor should be accountable. And I don't mean a slap on the wrist!!!!!
Finally some light is being shed on this disgusting behaviour! Sad to say, but animal testing/procedures are also being conducted in Akron hospitals as well! (From what I was told though, we can't hear the dogs cries because as soon as they recieve the animal, they sever the vocal cords so they cannot cry out) Of course, we won't see this advertised in their marketinf of "exceptional care and concern". Perhaps it is time that the public was informed about the cruelty that is taking place on a daily basis in these Akron and Cleveland area hospitals. Where are the investigators when we need them?
My wife, also, left the room as soon as she heard the lead-in. The fact that the doctor didn't wait for approval on this sickening sacrifice of a life shows A) that he/she knew that it wouldn't be approved, or B) shows that the CCF system doesn't work since obviously someone can kill an animal without approval. We are animal lovers and deciding that an animal's life is expendable for a SALES DEMONSTRATION sickens us.
Give Dr. White an aneurysm and use him in the next demonstration.
As an dog lover, i am completely appalled and furoius. Apparantly the device did not work and an innocent dog lost his life. Its all about money, money and sales companies getting rich. The Doctor should be prosecuted and charged with animal cruelty.
I was once told that if a man shows love and affection towards animals he is a decent person and probably a good catch, if is cruel and uncaring to animals, he doesn't have a soul and will return to you the same actions, i love my pets as they are part of my family, my children are grown now but they were always shown how to be loving towards there animals,
it is very easy for us to prey on things weaker than us, animals,children, elderly, etc. Why don't we do some experiments on these researchers and see how they like it, hopefully that poor animal has passed through this life through the rainbow bridge free from us humans and the pain we have caused it..
This dog lost it's life for a sale demonstration? This doctor should be terminated. I can think of better ways to do medical testing....how about using people on death row? Why should we continue to waste money providing THEM with food and shelter?
These doctors think they're Gods.Like Dr. White.He's soooooooo holy.Not.
I used to have respect for Dr. Robert White - NO MORE! To use an animal for a sales presentation, how low can you go!!! The doctor needs to be disciplined.
The physician had no vested interest in the company or product she/he was training individuals who train/teach nurses, technicians, and physicians on a daily basis. These types of trainng sessions are vital to human patient care in this arena.
How totally disgusting. Someone in an earlier post said there are too many animals out there needing good homes and that will never be adopted, but does that make killing them in experiments okay? If it does, what will be next? Killing people to reduce over crowding? There are lots of kids in foster homes that will never be adopted but that doesn't mean we should experiment on them. That poor dog!
To everyone that has expressed their opinion on the fate of the poor helpless dog...and callousness of the S.O.B. of a doctor, don't stop here, BE SURE TO PASS IT ON TO THE CLEVELAND CLINIC ALSO!
I am dismayed, but not
supprised. This is certainly
not the first time a doc @
CCF has used poor
judgement or worse
involving an ethical lapse
likely linked to financial
gain. In this intance it was
clearly not for
investigatory purposes.
Colleagues did not
give clearance -&
this display of debauchery
was for the benefit of salespersons.
It clearly indicates this
was for a marketing ploy.
The doc should be
reported to usda and peer
review commities and if
not fired ( which he
clearly deserves) his
laboratory access needs
to be severely curtailed
&/or closely monitored.
I certainly hope the dog
was minimally
traumatized before &
during & after this "clinicians"
day of Frankensteinism.
Perhaps he should be locked in a cage of agitated
large dogs so that a
doctor would learn how
to make the appropriate
repairs after such damage.
thats all I can say
Al RN
I believe ALL creatures are equal in God's eyes. Man is supposed to take care of God's creatures, not destroy them. Doctors perform on animals more than you think. I used to work for a group of major Orthopaedic Surgeons in St. Louis, MO. They did HORRIBLE things to animals, and the things they did/do can haunt you. For example, they would purposely break the bones of animals just to fix them. Science should be advanced enough that we shouldn't have to do these things. Please understand, I'm not preaching. This is just what I feel. I'm not pressuring anyone to think what I think, I just wanted to share my thoughts.
What a disgrace. I think I have a new invention to try out on this so-called doctor. It helps enhance the male private package, if ya get my drift. But it's not perfected, it may cause it to shrink or fall off completely (without the possibility of replacement). I think my dog would like me to demonstrate how it works on this freak.
In the words of Mohammed Gandhi, a nation is judged by the way it treats its' animals.
People need to realize that animals are living beings and feel pain as we do.
God created them in the same way he created us.
Money is the cause of this careless act; not saving lives.
My Father died 12-16-06 from an aneurysm. I'm thinking maybe if they could have done more for him he would still be here today. Look If the device that they are trying to sell will save someone's life, then I'm all for it. I love pets/animals, but the human life comes first. What I do have a problem with is there was no mention of the device and trying to save the dogs life. Did they even try?
The doctor should go to jail. There are laws against animal abuses, and they should apply uniformly to pompous greedy jerk doctors. I'm sick of all the justifications to mistreat and abuse animals. They are helpless creatures who crave love and life. And no one should have the moral authority to decide what animals should be sacrificed in human's interest. a medical necessity? It was a sales demonstration. It's all about greed and arrogance. This story makes me sick. That goes double for the heartless fur traders.
I'd like to induce an aneurysm in Dr. White!!!
I believe that if Dr. White condones the doctor's behavior, then he should volunteer himself for this sales pitch. After all, he's old, retired and useless. Dr. White, along with the idiot who did this, need a good course in common sense ... something they failed to acquire in medical school. Also, a course on compassion and right and wrong might help also. Shame, shame on you men. God created all creatures on this earth ... not just humans.znkcndty
This is an outrage! Heartless people like this should be punished by having the same "procedure" done on them! Animals are living, breathing beings with feelings. Maybe one day ignorant people like this will realize this.
People who are defending this say that sales people need to be trained? So they can train doctors and nurses? Am I naive in thinking that doctors and nurses are being trained by experts, by technical specialists, by other doctors and not by sales people? Were any of these people doctors and nurses? And this wasn't training, merely a demonstration. And why would a clinic doctor be demo'ing for the sales staff of a company? Was he reimbursed? Does he have stock in the company? Are the doctors and resources of the clinic for sale? Do clinic doctors do demos on human patients for sales people? Someone needs to answer.
I think it is deplorable that a doctor did this to a dog for SALES purposes. The "device" must not have been for the treatment of an anurism or the poor dog might have been revived. Treatment like this should be stopped immediately.
These sales organizations in medical device often are the only ones to train physicians and nurses on how to use surgical products. If the educational oppotunity bestowed upon these individuals helped save one life then it should not be condemned. Brain aneurysms kill many people instantly and the ones who survive turn into vegetables. I have no problem with utilizing an animal under anesthesia that normally would be put down to help save human lives.
This is the same wacko doctor that tried to transplant monkey heads on each other. And why did no one stop him in the first place? I thought the Clinic was so modern, sounds to me like they are way behind the times. I read one person who thought he was right. Do your research there are other ways just as acceptable if not more than using an animal. The test he did was out of lack of compassion and proved NOTHING that couldn't have been done another way. It's not about ANIMALS before PEOPLE, it's respecting and not abusing the respect of having them to use to help us when needed. Did you think it was right when he transplanted monkey heads too?
PLEASE READ THE LETTER FROM PETA TO THE CLINIC AND THE MANUFACTURER. IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE DEMONSTRATION STATING THAT OTHER METHODS COULD BE UTILIZED NOT USING AN ANIMAL.
I cannot condone killing the dog for a sales demonstration. Neither can I condone animal testing for cosmetics. I do support some animal testing for medical research. Where would humans be without it? So many wonderful cures and treatments, thanks to animals. PETA needs to back out of this, though. They are hipocrits of the highest degree. They kill animals by the thousands. And people that think they are helping them are donating millions of dollars. Find a local shelter or rescue and help them with your dollars. Check out this site for the truth about PETA. PetaKillsAnimals.com. If we don't start standing up to these AR fanatics (HSUS included) we will have no pets let alone food animals. THere are way too may laws being passed in the U.S. to make it too onerous and too expensive to own pets. Mandatory spay and neuter will remove all breeding dogs eventually. Puppies will be for the very rich only. Legislators are spending tons of time drafting laws to eliminate animal ownership instead of focusing on human needs. Wake up animal and pet lovers! The internet is great for researching these issues and propsed laws.
This device must have been tested on numerous animals. An instructional video should have been made for teaching purposes. It was not necessary for an animal to be sacrificed on an approved medical device. Someone needs to be punished and the clinic fined.
I think it is terrible to do this to an animal, but I wish people would get this outraged over a woman killing a fetus!
My mother died of a brain aneurysm in 1988, at age 41, when there was no "product" (as is called by the uninformed individuals in this blog) or procedure available to treat her condition at the time. Without the "sales people" informing the doctors of this procedure many others will die from the same affliction. We are human beings that have the ability to learn and apply our knowledge for the advancement of mankind. Although this appears cruel on the surface, I ask that each of you examine this procedure from a less emotional perspective and understand that this is a scientific advancement that has the potential of savings many lives and that without the medical profession being aware of this product/procedure many other will die. These are medical professionals learning how an advancement/procedure works in order to promote a medical procedure to save lives, not used car salespersons or realtors selling you the product of the week.
I find it very interesting the outcry over this dog. I am not saying that i agree with what was done but what I wonder is if this were a unborn child would there be such a outcry. We already know the answer to that it is perfectly acceptable abort children either in the womb or by partial birth abortion.
I can hear it now just another nut case in favor of pro life. You are correct I believe in life for the unborn child as much as you believe in life for this dog.
I heard someone on tonbight's newscast say that God was not happy about this killing and I ask do you think that God is happy over the multitude of children who have been slaughtered because of convenience or maybe even to help save a another human life. I have seen it proposed for stem cell research.
Thank you for allowing me to express my opinion
Sincerly
David
why can't they use the animals in prisons. for their demo's and experiments?
What more appalling is that the sales people sat there and watch and no one person stood up the dog. Everyone in that room was wrong and it sickening to think that someone would sat there and watch harm come to an animal. Medical research or not there has to be a better to advance technology without harm innocent animals. I strongly believe that the Clinic had some type of knowlege about the demonstration, they must admit doing the chain of command, the demnostration was schedule. If not that person in charge should lose their job along with the doctor.
To all those who say, "human life is more important than animals"--I disagree. I think it's up to humans to treat all living creatures as they would their own family! People, please remember....this was for TRAINING, not RESEARCH! It's deplorable...
This should not have happened people are very close to their animals and when they get euthanized it is very hard to watch and be there with them until the end. To use a dog in an experiment that was unnecessary is wrong. This should not have happened as a demonstration. What if this was us and he was performing this experiment on us and something went wrong. The animals have just as much as a right as we do. I look at my dogs and they have such personality and do talk about what they want in their own language. I hope that in the end the doctor who performed this action cannot practice medicine and gets a good hard sentence and punishment for what they did.
What this so called doctor at the Cleveland Clinic did is Crazy! Dont doctors have to talke ethics classes? This guy should have some experiments run on him and lets see the outcome. Dog have feelings and personalities too. A life is a life. No one wants to use human stem cells to find cures for things why should it be any different a life is a life!!!
This should not have happened animals are like human beings they have their own personality and can tell us when something is wrong or they need something. They should'nt be used for experiments.
How would it be if this doctor did something like this to us we would not stand for it. He should be punished for this action.
I watched your coverage this evening. The debate about who is higher in the food chain is remarkable. The one quote re: animals are expendable but people are not? Do we not have responsibility as a species for those lower? Continuing with that logic one would also say that we can abuse children, insects...
We develop systems to protect our ethics. When anyone crosses this line they should be punished. This is responsible societal culture. Otherwise we descend to the level of Nazi culture. They also deemed it acceptable to experiment on the weak.
cWhen I first heard of this...I thought that it must be a joke, a misunderstanding...something. I am aghast! I have had family and friends in desperate medical conditions (who hasn't?) and am thankful for the measures that saved them...but to kill a dog? In front of an audience? In the name of...patent rights? cash? what..? Such apparent disregard for life on the part of someone charged with caring for patients is just chilling.
And please...let's not make this a pro-life/pro-choice thing. Geez...dragging that in and muddying the waters is unconscionable too!
The Clinic is never shy about touting their docs and promoting themselves...wonder why they're protecting this a*s that has done so much to damage their name?? Maybe Dr. White should just out him or her if he's just so convinced that such horrors are necessary- why protect someone that's done nothing wrong?
An ex-pat in Indiana
Let's do the experiments on the doctor! Better Wait--The doctor obviously has no brain to experiment on. They are probably protected by a bunch of lawyers such as www.bozolawyers.com
Sales people are not the ones to train and teach. Peer reviewed research, approved training, and regulated programs are how doctprs are trained. Are you saying that sales people, with vested interests in selling a product are the ones to push these on medical professionals?
sad world we live in, doctor should be fired and not allowed to practice medicine
During my last visit to the Cleveland Clinic I was treated "like a dog" by one of their doctors. I left the place in tears; I now realize I was lucky to have come out alive!!!
this is outrageous, I would like to hear how the clinic justifies this, I go there every week with my mother for cancer treatments, I wish she could go somewhere else.
Where is Hitler to lead the experiments on these "world crass" doctors?
How does a person induce a brain aneurysm? That information could be useful....
I would rather die than know that a dog had to die for any purpose.
People do Not come first. A life is a life.
The doctor should be fired immediately. The Cleveland Clinic should limit it's shame and distance itself as I will not put my trust in them and plan to switch medical providers as soon as possible.
Shame on you Cleveland Clinic for Not being responsible for anyones actions in your employment.
I should think many people like myself will make you accountable where it hurts like No more donations. I have better places to send my money now.
You are now tarnished. This ranks right up there with hate crimes.
My next door neighbor is a doctor at your clinic and I'll never look at him again in the same way.
You could and should have prevented this horrible act.
You killed my aunt 4 times but by the grace of God she survived her stay in your clinic never to return.
If animal research is so great, and it is a benefit to human kind, please explain why every other day you read about, or hear on the news that another drug that was approved by the F.D.A, has killed another human being, some full proof operation these researches have going on.......
MY SOUL IS ACHING,I VOLUNTER FOR TWO ANIMAL SHELTERS ONE IN PARMA ONE IN BROOKLYN. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THIS ANIMAL CAME FROM? DID HE OR SHE THINK AT THAT TIME, "OH GOOD A WARM PLACE TO SLEEP FOR ME, FOOD & WATER, HOW LUCKY FOR ME," I TRUSTED THESE HUMANS...... SO SAD
I cannot understand the enormous outrage at this story. I am an animal lover and have always had some pet all my life. But...it is a sad world when people are so outraged about an animal, but not a BABY. There are literally thousands of 'murders' of innocent fetuses everyday. But they are not considered human until they take their first breath. Outlandish! Where are our priorities in this world? Doesn't surprise me that the CCF was involved. Does surprise me that they admitted it!!! Thank you.
I am so mad about this! I don't know why they can even test on an innocent dog, or any animal for that matter. I am very disappointed, and I don't believe that "people come first" animals should be treated with respect just like most humans! :/
I am shocked by the outpouring of concern for a dog sacrificed, While so many will not say one word against the killing of human babies. Abortion on demand and partial birth abortions are ignored. Where is the OUTCRY !!
Life must be valued. All Life.
I think the clinic should be very disappointed in that docter. How could he kill an innocent dog. I am sickend by this act of crulty.
This is disgusting. This doctor should never be allowed to work for the rest of his life. If one life is murdered to save a life that could possibly worthless then there is no point to this. Everyone involved in this has no just reason to help with this murder. They should all be fired because of this. This company that had it's salesmen there will never get my support ever.
It is not hard to beleive anymore that we humans do not have respect for the life of neither humans or animals. Doctor are suppose to save lives not take them. This was diffently animal cruelty. This was not for research it was for sales demonstration which served no purpose. It helped no one. This doctor over stepped his bounds and should be brought up on animal cruelty charges in court. Just like someone how shot their dog in the head.
I have 3 dogs of my own. They are my children. people who think it is ok to kill animals for science are not human. What would they say if we started using children to experiment on and say it is for science? They would be ashamed and protest it is a human life. As far as im concered my dogs are as much human as I am they understand what I say to them and listen beter then a lot of children do. the clinc should have to approve anything that happens in there hospital prior to it being done. And the doctor that preformed this should be fired.
I can only hope the Clinic does the right thing and immediately rids this doctor from their association. There is no reasoning to allow this inhumane, sickening act to be excused. God help us if the individuals that witnessed this horrific act do not feel the same!
Hospitals kill people every day. That's the real business that you are in. I spent over 20 thousand dollars tying to save my dogs life at OSU Veterinary Hospital this time last year and I would doit again for my other dogs, I think my money goes to OSU now and my endowments too as I am single man with no beneficiaries. Tht's 2 million for dogs and zip zero for humanity as we are all greedy creatures who don't deserve a second chance. We have no right in the name of anything to justify what we do.
Someone take the blame now. The only thing we understand is when we have to pay. Make that doctor pay!
My opinion is that doctors think they are better than the rest of us.
Prove me wrong Cleveland Clinic. Maybe you can earn a little respect back from me and the world at large.
Personally I don't trust you. Having access to thousands of clients locally I will ask for their support in boycotting the Clinic.
In April,2006, a neurosurgen performed a coil embolization with two stents in my right carotid artery without opening my skull. He went in through the femoral artery.This was done by a wonderful,intelligent neurosurgen at where else but the Cleveland Clinic.It saved my life and I will never forget that doctor for as long as I live. If it is your loved one who needs life saving surgey you won't care if the knowledge your doctor has came from a dog,pig,or a donkey. Where do you think all of this life saving technology comes from? I would recoment this hospital to anyone because no other hospital around can do this surgery.New technology may save your life too someday. Nancy ,Canton,Oh.
My family and I have been traveling back and forth to the Cole Eye institute because my daughter was born with cataracts. I have also visited the main hospital for her surgeries. To think that this place is known all over the country. Will it now be known for it's animal cruelty as well. If some charges aren't pinned to that doctor I will start a ruckus!!
If this neurosurgeon was so inhumane to a dog, then how do you think he cares for his human patients? I'd like to know how he is so that I can avoid him! Apparently money means more to him AND the Clinic than respect for all life.
SHAME ON YOU CLEVELAND CLINIC!
I am also totally appalled! It made me so sick to my stomach and I can only hope the same treatment is done to that doctor!
I hope the neurosurgeon that treats a member of my family if they had a deadly brain aneurysm was trained on live specimens instead of just plastic models. I applaud the dog for going from the euthanization wing of a animal shelter to surgical training for the benefit of aneurysm patients at the Clinic.
Just wanted to let people who are as appaulled as I am should express their concerns to the Cleveland Clinic also.
Cleveland clinic community relations
website at: HTTP://cms.clevelandclinic.org/community/
Thank you for your support.
A concered viewer and animal lover
This doctor should be fired!!! As a doctor he should have much more regard for life. What he did was totally unacceptable. As a patient and consumer of this facility we demand that he be terminated at once. What a horrible example of a physcian. The Clinic is utltimately responsible, so do something.
My own child died from a brain tumor, and was treated at the Cleveland Clinic. We feel that our son was often treated like a "situation" and not even like a child, by the Clinic. Our son "loved all Living things" in his own words. Even our family, who could have benefited by such "Research" would request, "Please respect all living things"--- It is our Human responsibility to care, and be careful about all life. Animals can do nothing but trust us, just like we must trust in God ourselves. Are we living up to our responsibilities if we allow such cold behaviour from our most respected Medical Professionals?
Large numbers of dogs & cats are euthanized weekly because “animal lovers” fail to have their pet spade or neutered responsibly. There is a real world out there and a cry of emotion provides no practical solution. The real medical world (not drug makers) needs whatever help they can get – academic theory is not enough.
The saying goes...ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN...is so true..ALL GREEDY AND HEARTLESS DOCTORS GO TO HELL..is also true..God help us all..And hug your dog tonight..
Doctor won't be punished. The higher ups at the Clinic never are. Double standard. The only one they fired before was an indian. All the lilly white docs get off scot free. And this will be no exception.
And as someone said, if Dr White believes it's ok then why not name names, he knows who it is.
World Class Care? I think not. I am all for finding ways to treat this horrible condition, but this needs to be done in a humane and kind way. This physician had no regard for policies/procedures nor the animal's life. I am saddened that the Cleveland Clinic will not release the name of this MD so the public can make educated choices as to who their MD shall be. PETA sent a letter to the Cleveland Clinic prior to this occuring, and they paid no regard to their plight. As a healthcare worker, I'm embarassed to be in this field. The MD and the Cleveland Clinic as a whole should be ashamed and embarassed. They have never been known for their caring nature, and this proves that fact. I sincerely hope that their selfishness has taught them a lesson.
Last year, the clinic fired a doctor for failing to disclose royalties device that he invented. In 2005 Dr.Cosgrove's relationship with a medical-device company and the clinic's role in a venture capital firm that invested in it were disclosed to be ethically questionable. This is just another example. And the clinic will deny that they have a financial interest in the device. Then why did he do it? To kill a dog? To teach the salesman of a company with NO affiliation with the clinic? Stick to teaching clinic doctors and residents and leave poor animals alone. And it wasn't teaching or training it was a sales demo!
This Dr. broke policy, did this without approval because he knew it wouldn't happen, and then pleads ignorance. With such disregard for policies, why wouldn't he be carefree with other regulations in place for our protection.I'm sure others at CCF knew what was going on. This was SALES reps. It's about the $, not saving human life. I do think METROHEALTH & UH will see an increase in Pt.'s now. My heart aches for the poor dog and hopefully he's with God and St. Francis.
who cares this is not big news. Aren't there people running around who kill people, molest kids, and sell drugs in Cleveland? Go get them!
The doctor should loose his license and they should both be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as if it was a human they tourtered that poor dog. Humans have no right to believe we can treat other beings as any less than us. Any human that will hurt an animal will do the same to a human even a child. They are mentally unstable and need to be locked up or euthanized.
Marsha Park
Akron, Ohio
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated ...
Mahatma Gandhi
As an employee of the Cleveland Clinic I am shocked and appalled at this news. You arrogant bastards refer to yourselves as world class but you have no class. Who the hell are you to determine which life is and isn't worthwhile. I am an animal lover who on her way to and from work is constantly looking for some strays in need of help. I am embaressed to be a part of this institution. You will never get so much as a nickel of financial support from me ever again!!! I hope Cosgrove can do something right for a change and get rid of this God playing moron. And I hope all these animal rights and ethical groups rake you over the coals.
Everyone already knows the name of this neurosurgeon from the Clinic. The radio has announced it and it is time for the TV stations to let everyone know as well. He should not try and hide now, be a man and take responsibility for what you have done!!! It is appalling and pathetic what this man does to animals in the name of science. I think he is just a sick man and needs help himself!
For goodness sake, it is a dog.
There are many put down in animal shelters each day.
People should be concerned about the number of servicemen being killed and mained in Iraq.
This should not have ever been a story on the news let alone the lead story tonight!
It's a sad commentary on our society where it is acceptable to kill millions of babies a year (okay, call it termination, or abortion), but people become outraged when an animal is harmed for medical testing. Testing SHOULD be as humane as possible, but no amount of animal lives is greater than just one human.
Anonymous said...
I think the Dr. was very right.
Sales people need to know what they are selling. Doing on a dog or a rabbit or a monkey, for the advance in helping people.
They are to many dogs and to many cats. To many for people to adopt. I am a animal lover also and if my grandchildren heard me say this would be upset with me.
That is my comments. People come first.
MAYBE THE ABOVE MORON SHOULD VOLUNTEER HIM/HERSELF. THEN A HELPLESS ANIMAL WHO HAS NO VOICE
CAN GO ON TO BE A PET. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYONE WOULD MISS THAT MORON!
This demonstration was not educational and had nothing to do with advancing medical treatment of humans. It was a sales pitch drive by pure unadulterated greed.
This a better use for the life of a dog than the dog pound putting dogs who are unadoptable or cats that have over stayed their welcome at the pound. This is a more important cause if you are going to put an animal down for no cause, dah.
Modern Medicine as we know it would not be possible without the use of animal test subjects. If the public is so opposed to animal testing, they should stop taking all prescription drugs because every product on the market was once tested on 1,000s of animals. Furthermore, would you anti-lab animal testing folks be willing to have medications and procedures tested on YOU and your family instead of on animals? Mary Beth Sweetland [of P.E.T.A.] certainly would not do such a thing. I wonder how many prescriptions she takes a day...
-HLP1174
I love dogs and have always had dogs in my life. But everyone is getting so upset by this not so much for the reason of medical testing but because it was for sales presentation. Before anyone gets so upset about the medical testing which can help everyone stop and think about how many dogs are put to sleep everyday in pounds across the country.
DOESN'T SURPRISE ME ANY... THEY HAVE TREATED ME LIKE A "DOG" FOR THE LAST 6 SIX YEARS AFTER BUILDING THEIR BILLION DOLLAR HOTEL. I WAS HURT ON THEIR JOB. CCF AND SIMCO SHOULD HAVE THE "DEMOSTRATION". THE POOR DOG & I WERE TREATED THE SAME. BOB FROM CLEVELAND.
Thank the Lord that Hitler is dead, otherwise these doctors would be easily be working for Hitler and experimenting on people. Of'course, the common saying is "practicing medicine". Why do other professions "work" instead of "practice law enforcement, info-technology, garbage pickup, etc"? Only the medical profession "practices" on live people.
I am a Pagan and we live by "An it harm none, do as ye will." I personally would not harm ANY animal for testing purposes. The doctor should be released from his duties at the Cleveland Clinic.
Blessed Be
Lady Kira
I think that if we want to be able to achieve advancements in medicine, it is necessary to test new ideas; we have two options: animals or humans. The purpose of the testing is to create a longer lifespan for humankind by finding ways to cure medical problems. I don't think people should automatically jump when someone uses an animal to try and create a better life for the public.
you want to know how i feel about this why don t we just get the guts to do the testing on the people that are on death row to be the test subjects and the sex offenders they are by far the best of all the choices for this kind of testing. what better way to test human drugs and medical test than on humans like the ones in death row
how about having the guts to post this on your site and run it on the air
I cant even believe this is going on. I will never go to the Cleveland Clinic because of this. All these people leaving comments on here saying there are too many cats and dogs, personally I think there are too many people. We should never take anything out on an animal to save us. If we want to do experiments to help us then we need to do them on ourselves not helpless animals. That doctor that performed this should be ashamed of himself and should not be able to practice. I hope PETA haunts him for along time to come.
The sense of sadness that a dog was killed in the name of medicine shows that we care about a helpless critter. However, I beleive that we all would be better served if we did everything possible to prevent destroying so many unwanted pets every day. Having a litter of puppies or kittens to show the kids the miracle of life is just the begining of the cycle. Odds are that many in these litters will be sacrificed, and that is the true story of overpopulating pets and unnecessary death. Candence Sweet
I think it absurd that you skipped over the story about the recovery of 2 missing children, to cover the death of a dog. I am a dog lover, but, I think human life comes first, that includes the stories about humans.
Why isn't anyone asking the real question here??? What was this proceedure and medical device supposed to accomplish? The dog is dead and it obviously did not work!!! Had the doctor been able to save this helpless dogs life, people might feel differently about this.
The issue in this case is NOT whether or not animals should be used for research or teaching, but that there is ALREADY in place a LEGAL and HUMANE guideline for such use, and this doctor violated BOTH! It is another case of doctors believing they are above the law, and above the process, that MUST be followed. This doctor's disrespect of the process is the whole reason that people worry about the abuse and waste of life in an effort toward "the greater good" in medicine. Let's hope that this blatantly arrogant doctor will not be allowed to be above the just consequence for such a violation. He should be FIRED, for violating the law, for violating his own commitment to medical licensure, and for bringing doubt and shame to the Cleveland Clinic community. This doctor has just proved to us AGAIN that we have EVERY REASON to worry about medical experimentation in the hands of such disrespectful individuals!!
It's to bad that everyone that thinks this is so bad don't have a loved one
in a hospital dying that could be helped by killing a dog or cat or rabbit!
- WAKE UP PEOPLE -
The Lord put animals on this earth to serve us, not for us to serve them
(unless of course it's for dinner)
The entire "P.E.T.A. bunch need to get a life.
The reason that animals are here is for us to USE them.
WAKE UP PEOPLE
If the device is so good why did it kill the dog?? Own up and tell us the name of the Doctor & the name of the company & sales staff??? ..Looks like Greed is everywhere.. done for Higher SALES, HIGHER COMMISSIONS, Bottom Line is Money...AGAIN!!!! Next it will be Humans!!!!!!!!!!
I applaud Dr. White for having the courage to defend the use of animals to save human lives.
For all of you franticly typing your outrage to what this DR. did. Take a moment and think, if your life was on the line and you needed a life saving operation, are you going to ask if this procedure was tested on animals first before you have the operation?? And if so are you going to refuse that operation that would save your life?? I highly doubt any of you would.
How sad that a poor animal has to die to further the career of a doctor and the hype of a hospital. Doctors care more about their bank accounts than people these days.
Let's face it, if you don't have insurance you are not treated as well. First question when you walk into a doctor's office or hospital is who's your insurer. So the killing of a poor defenseless dog wouldn't faze them if it meant more money and hype.
An investigation should be done both of the doctor and hospital.
someone had to know that animals were being used for such purposes, or did he sneak the dog in? I DOUBT IT.
Well once again the almighty Cleveland Clinic has been caught at something. Seems so sad it took something like this. Whats not to say the higher ups didn't approve this sick demostration. But since they got caught they will deny it. Just like the cover up of the treatment of women from there foreign Doctors. Complaints from paitients are laughed at behind closed doors, and from staff members nothing is done. I know I worked for a Clinic hospital. It's so sad the city of Cleveland puts this place on a pedastool. But like everything else The Clinic will get away with it like they do everything else. investigators should not annouce a visit to give them time to clean things up. If they dont give a dam about there doctors treating people inhumane why will they care about a dogs life. Seems to me instead of worry about McDonalds selling food, or smoking on there property, or having only healthy food in the vending machines they should be looking at the way these doctors act. Oh and by the way have you drove past a clinic hospital and seen all the employees out in scrubs smoking bet they just walk back into the or taking the germs with them. I wouldnt't let the Cleveland Clinic work on my dog. Hope you all think about it and go somewhere else. so sad the city has to have its name on it. Wake up Doctor Cosgrove take a look at your Doctors and stop the coverups.
I think it is sad that for such an institution that has high technological skills that they had to sacrifice an animal that God created. With all the computer technology couldn't this experiment and demonstration be simulated. I think this doctor tookthe hypocritical oathe and not the hippocratic oathe. From now on I'll think of that institution as THE CLEVELAND KILLINIC. All the sales people promoting this should be ashamed. I wish I knew the name of the company to boycott it.
This has really upset me. I am not preaching, but for those who believe in the bible, read the first few chapters. God created animals before humans! We were put here to care for them. We kill the deer because of over population, if we were not constantlay developing on THEIR land, they would have room to live. Cities have passed laws that you cannot feed the birds, and other wildlife, because people do not want them in their precious landscaped yards. Who gave humans the right to feel they are superior over animals!
I also have to agree with what another post said, there are so many people on death row, or imprisioned for life, that we the taxpayer support. We house them, feed them, educate them, give them free recreation. Maybe if they were used for these experiments instead, our crime rate would go down! I know I would think twice about commiting a crime, If I knew what happened to that poor dog, could happen to me!!!!
Donna J.
I am appauled!! However, I can safely say as an employee in the medical field, this animal was treated better than CCHF's employees!!!! Word spreads very quickly in the medical profession and the word is there are a lot of worse things going on in that place. I think it should be thoroughly investigated. All about power and money..no emotion!!
Over a hundred thousand years ago two species formed a bond. The one specie had moderate intelligence, but was fast, a fearless fighter, had an extremely accute sense of smell and of hearing, and could learn to understand the other species commands. The other specie was slightly more intelligent, had a larger vocabulary and an opposable thumb and could make tools and weapons because of this thumb. However, the second specie was not particularly fast or strong and did not have the senses necessary for a hunter. But his tools and weapons made hunting more productive and less dangeous for the other specie. So these two species formed a bond that has lasted to this day.
Dog has been Man's one unfailing companion. He has slept around the fires in our caves and emcampments and eaten our leftovers until his digestive system changed from that of a carnivor to that of an omnivor. And he has protected our homes and families. He still works with us to the point that our policemen and the laws consider him an officer of the same caliber a the partner who drives him around. Although it may be just a quirk of our language, it may be that there is a reason Dog is just a reversed image of God.
I am not opposed to the use of animals for research or testing of new medicines or medical procedures (though I feel all other species should be at least considered before we subject our closest friend to this kind of experimentation). But to go as far as a neuroligist using a dog to do a demonstration to !!salesmen!!?? Perhaps this indifference comes naturally in a hospital noted as much for the indifference toward individual patients as it is for its health care sucesses and its primary research. But with the vast electronic resources this doctor had at his disposal, I find it hard to believe he could not have used simulation to demonstrate to !!salesmen!! what they need to know.
Stormcrow
I have numerous medical problems with a device in my head that has saved my life. This
device was tested on animals, even dogs and cats, before it was used on humans and these
animals suffered and died in the process. This is where I am supposed to say that I am
grateful for animal research. I am not going to say that. I will say that I am grateful for
medical research but not animal research. Making animals, especially dogs and cats,
suffer in so many different ways and then die for me and what I need to stay alive does not
make me feel like a good person. It is selfish, arrogant, convenient, easy, and cruel to use
innocent animals rather then our God given nimds to solve problems we humans have.
We have become a selfish culture, taking what we want when we want and how we want
it. We are a culture of quick and easy solutions and methods. Those who cannot keep up
are the ones that are left behind, destroyed or blamed. The Innocents are paying the price
of this bullying culture. For me,animal research is partly why we have become so
insensitive to the suffering and problems of other humans. You start accepting dog and
chimp labs as normal human activity then ten years later you accept factory farms as
normal human activity and then ten years later you sacrifice a dog in front of a interactive
crowd for such an opportunistic reason as this was, then why should we be surprised that
homeless people are being beaten to death for fun in our streets? Its all connected, when
you make one easy the rest is even easier and we find that human suffering is acceptable
human activity, as long as it is not you doing the suffering.. Well guess what, I dont want
to be that way, even if I die instead. Some things are worse then dying--- like how you
live your life and what you condone. If anyone thinks for one minute this dog is the only
incident and its suffering was the only mistake then they are living under a rock, if you can
find a rock anymore. Humans kill animals ‘in the name of science’ constantly. We as a
society have ignored it, to our peril. Why is this incident an outrage but the dog labs in
every hospital in the country not an outrage? To me, both are sickening and show the
worst in humanity. The Cleveland Clinic is only sorry they got caught, not that it
happened. If they are really sorry then let them shut down their cat and dog labs, and
pledge to not outsource them either. Betcha they don’t. Betcha one doctor sitting under
a rock then don’t.
Over a hundred thousand years ago two species formed a bond. The one specie had moderate intelligence, but was fast, a fearless fighter, had an extremely accute sense of smell and of hearing, and could learn to understand the other species commands. The other specie was slightly more intelligent, had a larger vocabulary and an opposable thumb and could make tools and weapons because of this thumb. However, the second specie was not particularly fast or strong and did not have the senses necessary for a hunter. But his tools and weapons made hunting more productive and less dangeous for the other specie. So these two species formed a bond that has lasted to this day.
Dog has been Man's one unfailing companion. He has slept around the fires in our caves and emcampments and eaten our leftovers until his digestive system changed from that of a carnivor to that of an omnivor. And he has protected our homes and families. He still works with us to the point that our policemen and the laws consider him an officer of the same caliber a the partner who drives him around. Although it may be just a quirk of our language, it may be that there is a reason Dog is just a reversed image of God.
I am not opposed to the use of animals for research or testing of new medicines or medical procedures (though I feel all other species should be at least considered before we subject our closest friend to this kind of experimentation). But to go as far as a neuroligist using a dog to do a demonstration to !!salesmen!!?? Perhaps this indifference comes naturally in a hospital noted as much for the indifference toward individual patients as it is for its health care sucesses and its primary research. But with the vast electronic resources this doctor had at his disposal, I find it hard to believe he could not have used simulation to demonstrate to !!salesmen!! what they need to know.
Stormcrow
Since I don't know this doctor, I can't judge his motive.One thing I can comment on his his lack of judgement in not following the guidelines in place for such an event. If he knew that what he was doing was not following hospital protocol, he never should have completed this procedure.While it is true that we need medical advances, The Clinic's own stated policy would not have permitted this. If he could still do this, then they need to investigate why
he was able to obtain the space and opportunity to do such an appalling procedure. He is not existing in a vaccumn.If the sales people present their devices to the hospital surely they are aware of the policies and in my opinion are just as guilty as he is.
As a nurse I applaud the advances in medical devices but in no way do I support killing a living being to sell a device to sales people.
we will never get a satisfactory answer regarding this misjudgement
Why are some of these posts so "out there"?
Maybe next time you could use some of these people instead!
I was shocked that sommeone would do that to a dog!that doctor needs to be fired.its just not right to do that to an innocent dog and kiill it!
I have no problem with animals being used for research or even training. But this was neither. This was a demo for sales people who will try to push that their product is used, whether it's in the patient's best interest or not. Why would a Clinic doctor be assisting the sales force of a seperate company? The Clinic has crossed the line between business and medicine before, this looks like another instance.
Dr White believes doctors can do no wrong. He's written in the past that lawsuits are inevitably frivolous. Of course he's going to stand by a collegue. Doctors won't discipline their own and in this case there won't be anything of consequence.
If we are smart enough to have this technology, can we not find an ethical way to show it - computer simulation maybe.
When any living thing is treated vadly, all of life's dignity is compromised.
I don't believe an animals life is as valuable as a humans life and I feel it's wrong to act like it is. However, I don't think God wants us to abuse our power over them but inflicting unnecessary pain or death. The Cleveland Clinic performed a bone marrow transplant on my sister and I am grateful to the doctors there. They obviously don't condone what happened. They turned themselves in!
An obvious question: Who was in the room, and why didn't anyone intervene??
This practice of using animals for medicine is horrible. Dr. White, was front page news in the National Enquirer in the 1980's for transplanting monkeys heads. Of course he would agree with this practice, of using animals for personal and financial gain. The question is why do these people feel that they are god-like and need to keep people alive for their profit? Being a R.N., and animal lover I feel when its your time to die so be it.
Using animals in research is a sad but necessary part of saving human life. Certainly if the rules were not followed correctly by the doctor, he should face disciplinary actions, but the Cleveland Clinic itself should not be looked down upon for using animals for biomedical research. As an animal lover and someone who has worked in animal research before, (yes those two statements don't seem to go together I know, but even research animals need people that love animals to take care of them, to ensure the laws and rules are upheld while they are in our care, to make sure their experience is as good and pain free as it can be, under the cirumstances). Anyone working in animal research would love for there to be a day when we don't have to use animals for research, but unfortunately, that day has not come. The human doctors need to perfect new procedures before they conduct them on people. People is a broad term, think of your grandmother, or god forbid your child. Wouldn't you rather have an animal humanely used to perfect the techniques rather than trying it on your family member for the first time? I would answer yes, this only being my opinion of course. It is important to note that most of the time these animals are anesthestised and on pain medication when these things are being done, or monitored closely for any signs of pain or distress if conscious tests are being done. These are LAWS, not suggestions, there is a whole commitee on site dedicated to deciding whether or not a procedure can take place before the animals can even be brought into the building. It broke my heart on a regular basis working with research animals but I could see the greater good and knew that I was doing my best to make sure their stay was comfortable and that they received the best care possible while I was with them. I just wish people wouldn't automatically jump to the conclusion that animal research is such an unthinkable, horrible act. These animals are used to perfect a surgical technique, develop a new cancer treatment, help to test a new vaccine or drug that could save someone's life, there are so many more examples that I could point out. Before I worked in animal research, I jumped to the same conclusion that most people do. I am so fortunate that I had the opportunity to work with these animals, for now I can share the REAL information about what goes on in biomedical research rather than being fed doctored pictures and inaccurate stories about research from groups such as PETA. aalas.org is a good website to explore the TRUE facts about animal research. This is the american association for laboratory animal science's website. I encourage all that are horrified by this story to at least read about the truth behind animal research. Again, I am an animal lover, anyone that knows me is aware of that, and I would LOVE for there to be the day when animal research is over, but until then, it is a sad but necessary part of saving human life.
I wonder how many rules this doctor he is entitled to break. Did the salemen give this doctor some kind of kick-back like tickets to the Superbowl or some fancy dinner? I want to know his name, so I will stay away from any where he practices.
If this was an approved medical procedure,it may make more sense to some people. I am an avid animal lover. I have two rescue dogs currently.If he felt he was doing the "right" thing why did he not get approval first??? WHY...because of greed!Sales people do not need to witness this on a living creature.Don't we have computer programs that could demonstrate it to them?....He just wanted to make a bigger impact so he could increase his sales through shock value...well he did create shock....He should be fired and brought up on ANIMAL CRUELITY CHARGES........seems he has no regard for life in my book.The clinic should be ashamed of sheilding this greedy sick individual.
Every life deserves world class care..... apparently only applies to humans at Cleveland Clinic. I cannot tell you how disgusted I am at hearing the story about the sacrifice of an animal for the amusement of a sales group. I chose my words carefully. AMUSEMENT. I cannot think of one good reason this act was necessary. Get it together CLEVELAND CLINIC,
you are responsible for what happens within your organization.
If this act occurred without your consent, you are still responsible and must act internally to correct this type of disgrace.
I'm sure this is not the first incident where this type of GOULISH behavior has occurred, just the first time you were caught.
You'll get what you deserve. In an instant worldwide public opinion of the Cleveland Clinic has been sacrificed along with the poor animal and the senseless acts of your staff.
Rick Fletcher
This is devastating and archaic. Senseless and unnecessary killing is unacceptable, no matter who does it and under what circumstance. The doctor should be fired.
Channel 3 should have presented both sides of the story this morning, when their one "expert" ignorantly bashed PETA and defended this horrible act.
i believe the person who said there were too many cats & dogd & that humans were more important should step up to the plate & volunteer as the nerosurgens next subject - either that or lets start w/ a nerosurgen as the "ginea pig"
I am horrified that something like that could happen at such a renowned clinic. Especially to demonstrate a device to salespeople! The doctor should be severely fined and punished for such a hiddeous and unnecessary act!
We need to know the name of the doctor that committed this horrible and unfeeling act. He probably went ahead with the demonstration knowing that he would never receive approval. I would never let this doctor treat myself or any of my loved ones. He is sadistic and cruel. I hope he is punished to the full extent of the law and the Clinic has the kahunas to fire him.
My dear, dear father who died 27 years ago this January, 29th, always told me that how we treat the animals we share the earth with
is a very good indicator of how we treat our fellow human beings. This is a very sad example of the human race's behavior. It is unfortunate when money and greed dictate our behavior. Shame on us all for letting this happen.
Wrong is wrong. A sales demonstration???? Come on! What's next demonstrating on people? And then we can just start climbing the ladder toward the Nazi Death Camps!
As a vegetarian and champion for all animals, I am shocked and outraged by this doctor's actions. I am sending a letter to Cleveland Clinic right away to let them know how I feel about such a horrific "experiment."
I am opposed to vivisection, regardless of its benefits on mankind. There aren't too many animals in this world -- just too many humans.
I'm thoroughly disgusted!!! This DR. should be severely disciplined and suspended. Imagine how that poor innocent helpless dog must have felt. I will make sure all my family and friends know of this dr and what he did and I can guarantee he and the Cleveland Clinic has lost our business.We will go somewhere else.
amonymous said....
I am so sad to think a man intelligent enough to be a doctor could be so stupid when it comes to common sense. I hope that Cleveland Clinic fires him, He should spend a week in a cage in a kennel. I hope this inhumane act haunts him every day of his life.
Probably not!! WHAT A SICKO!!!!
If using a live animal for this sales demonstration resulted in the Cleveland Clinic getting more money, than that was enough reason for them to do it! The price of their "World Class Care" covers a lot of dirty little secrets.
Unfortunately, I believe that "trials" like this go on all the time without our knowledge. I would bet that the Cleveland Clinic was fully aware of the process at hand, and turned a blind eye, probably saying to the Dr. in question,"If something goes wrong, we know nothing."
I've had a very recent incident with the Cleveland Clinic, but I won't get into that.
If you've never been there, go. Marvel at the beauty of the place. The fine art, well lit tunnels and skyways, the "over friendly" staff, and the underlying "Soylent Green" type atmosphere that I experienced.
Dr. White, meet Dr. Frist. Two Frankensteins who should know better, who have no ethics, no morals, no conscience, will lie and cheat, and are sociopathically arrogant. Disgraceful behavior, unneccessary, money-grubbing, regressive, and we allow them to be leaders and the animal "brokers" to go about their "business". Very sad commentary on our society. The dog only had one life, too, bastards. You will end up helping no one with your pathetic and primitive "research".
Check out PetaKillsAnimals.com
Ridiculous! How can he justify what he did?!? The dog could not say that he did not want to participate, now could he? He was put through the misery so he could sell his invention. I think he should be punished...maybe someone could "test" their tools on him...see how he likes it.
Look, I feel that what the doctor did was so wrong, because their was an alternative method that could have been used. But I am very mad at some of the other comments. The Cleveland Clinic is an amazing hospital one of the best in the country, and this is not their fault. It is the fault of the neurosurgeon who did it without authorization. I love the clinic, and nothing can take away from that.
Stop insulting the clinic. I know it was horrible what they did to the dog, but the cleveland clinic has the patients best interest at heart. Unless you know what the heck you are talking about dont talk. The dog was in no pain at all, in was drugged with anesthesia, and then euthanized.
AS AN ADVOCATE FOR DOGS AND A SURVIVOR OF A BRAIN ANEURYSM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. HOW DARE THIS DR. INFLICT THIS HORRIBLE, PAINFUL CONDITION ON AN ANIMAL AND FOR WHAT? MORE MONEY? MORE SALES? HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED, LOSE HIS LISCENSE AND BE FINED FOR ANIMAL CRUELY, HE SHOULD FOR SURE NOT BE ALLOWED TO OWN AN ANIMAL!!
When something like this makes headlines it actually makes me lose hope in the human race. People die at that hospital everyday...actual human beings, and a news crew shows up for a dog? This just in.....but animal shelters euthanize dogs on a daily basis for no reason other than they can't care for them anymore. People need to look at the big picture. Technology is key in influencing and advancing medical techniques,thus saving HUMAN lives. It makes me laugh because the people who are posting idiotic comments about cruelty to animals are probably the ones who eat steak every night for dinner and will be the first ones to complain when someone they know dies of head trauma because this technology wasn't properly tested. And all you morons who keep saying we should use the technology on the doctor have lost it. What, you want to live by the philosophy an eye for an eye? Then go to Iran and see how much you like that concept. You're all pathetic.
I can't believe that someone could do this to an animal! It breaks my heart that a dog was sacrificed to sell a machine. Have we really got that greedy? Hopefully, the doctor will be terminated for being such an awful human being. Oh, and by the way all you people saying the doctor did the right thing...you need to shut your mouths!! I despise people like you...only concerned about yourselves. This was a precious animal that couldn't defend its self. Along with the doctor we should treat you with the machine!
We cannot blame the entire Clinic for one doctor's cruelty.A doctor at the Clinic diagnosed a condition I had that no one else could. My current physician diagnosed 2 separate conditions on the first try without unnecessary testing.
However, I do believe that the Clinic should make public whatever punishment this doctor received and educate its entire staff on proper protocol.
Yes,doctors are human and do make mistakes, but we should not judge all on the basis of a few.
I think what shocked most of us was the fact that this did happen at a world renown facility.
The thing that boggles my mind is if this device was to treat a human condition, why was the victim a dog? In my opinion, if the poor animal had to be destroyed, then the device obviously did not do what it was intended to do.
I still would like to know the name of this doctor and he should not be under the protection of the Clinic.
How appalling, this doctor needs to be fired!!! He should never never be allowed to work in the medical field again. Isn't it sad that the only punshiment was 2 years of no animal research. Maybe the Cleveland Clinic should release the name this so called doctor and quit protecting him. That bastard needs to be treated how he treated that poor dog, inhumanly. That doctor not only should be treated as he treated that dog but forced to live in the same conditions. Maybe he should have something implanted in his head. And what about the people who were watching, punshiment needs to go their way also. I am boycotting the Cleveland Clinic and maybe others should to. It doesn't matter to the Cleveland Clinic how they make at a profit, as long as there is one.
Arrogant Bastards!!
Just because we have the ability to do something does not give one the right to do it. The animal in question did not give consent, he was totally innocent. Why not use death row inmates. They owe a debt to society anyway.
dr white, this disgusting clinic & all of the other MONSTERS who support animal experimentation & research (of ANY kind) do not deserve the air they breathe.
these 'people' are a disgrace to humankind.
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